Internationals - Oval Talk: Ten things from November

Eurosport - Mon, 30 Nov 13:14:00 2009

After a surprisingly entertaining final weekend of autumn internationals, Oval Talk looks at some of the issues and things we learnt from the November series.

Dan Carter - New Zealand - 0

Ireland, Australia and New Zealand were good value for their victories over South Africa, Wales and France, with only the Scotland-Argentina game coming up short in terms of real quality.

Just as well really, as this autumn's series of games were in danger of finishing amongst the least distinguished in memory, with defences spread across the field, aimless kicking and the pesky breakdown dominating proceedings like never before.

In no particular order, OT lists 10 things that have become clear, or even more clear, in the last month.

1. Dan Carter is the best in the world

Even when he's below his best - as he was against England - the All Blacks star (pictured) is a class apart from all his rivals at fly-half, with the possible exception of Australia's Matt Giteau. For OT's money, he is the sport's best pound-for-pound player - better even than his skipper and IRB world player of the year Richie McCaw. Carter was back to his sublime best as New Zealand ran in five tries against France; he landed four penalties and two conversions, made a number of searing breaks and tackled well above his weight as the All Blacks confirmed their status as the leading side in world rugby.

2. Rucking must be reintroduced, and soon

OT never understood why rucking was outlawed in the first place (something to do with mums not allowing their little Tarquins to take up the game) but it should be readmitted immediately to help clear up the mess at the breakdown. IRB lawmakers deserve shooting for the way they have allowed defences and kicking to dominate the game - due to the complete Horlicks they have made of the breakdown - and the return of rucking could be the answer to rugby's burning issue. Simple: carrier and defender must release the ball in the tackle and teams can only secure possession by driving over the ball. Rucking was never as dangerous as it looked (who cares about a few stud marks?) as well as being one of the game's fine spectacles: just ask Finlay Calder, John Jeffrey, et al.

3. England are not as bad as some think

One only has to look at how Australia despatched Wales and New Zealand thumped France to see that England's losses in November were not as catastrophic as made out in some quarters. Of course that does not mean all is well in Martin Johnson's camp - far from it - but England conceded just three tries in three games this autumn, which is two fewer than France shipped against the All Blacks, and one less than Wales did against the Wallabies. England clearly have much work to do, but we will get a much better view of their problems if critics lose the assumption that England deserve to be amongst the world's best. With the exception of Lewis Moody and Simon Shaw - and possibly Jonny Wilkinson - England did not have any proven world-class performners available this autumn, so why did anyone think they were likely to beat two of the world's top teams?

4. Wales are much, much better with Ryan Jones

Jones is in top form after an indifferent 2008-9 season, and his absence was a significant factor in Wales losing heavily to the Wallabies. Not that Wales would have won had their skipper been fit, but nor would they have let in three early tries and seen the game slip from their grasp within the first quarter. Jones is the heartbeat of Warren Gatland's side, not to mention a pretty decent number eight.

5. Ireland have two number 10s

Declan Kidney's decision to start with Jonathan Sexton against the Boks ahead of veteran fly-half Ronan O'Gara was considered a gamble in some quarters, but the decision paid off nicely as the Leinster youngster stood up superbly well. There's no guarantee Sexton will be Ireland's first choice for the 2011 World Cup, but he gives them a welcome extra option in the play-maker's role, to go with the new hard edge added by the likes of Jamie Heaslip, Rob Kearney, Stephen Ferris and Tomas O'Leary. Happy days for Kidney's side.

6. Australia could be favourites come 2011

Despite a torrid 2009 that reached its nadir when they lost to Scotland, Australia have the personnel and coaches to be a real force at the next World Cup. Australia's form in the Tri-Nations was patchy to say the least, but they have a young and highly-talented squad who will only get better in the next two years. Props Ben Alexander and Ben Robinson, open-side David Pocock, scrum-half Will Genia and full-back James O'Connor have all been fully incorporated into the Australian ranks this season, and it looks just a matter of time before coach Robbie Deans knocks the Wallabies into a real force on the world stage. They were certainly too classy for Wales last weekend.

7. Rugby is becoming boring

The November internationals were not as bad as this season's Guinness Premiership has been to date, but there was plenty of evidence to further suggest that entertainment levels in rugby are slipping. Due to laws that favour defences, teams have become over-reliant on kicking, much of it aimless, and game-plans based on forcing the opposition into making mistakes. How can it be good when a player worries about beating his opposite man because he might become isolated and concede a penalty? The IRB have a lot to do - but the real worry is that the responsibility for fixing the mess lies with the same officials who got rugby into this sorry state in the first place.

8. Ireland will never be able to replace Brian O'Driscoll

Ireland's skipper had a quiet game against South Africa by his high standards, but it was his crunching tackle on Boks full-back Zane Kirchner with the last act of the game that made sure of the win. It was typical of O'Driscoll to have such an impact, and no-one has done more than the Leinster centre to help Ireland remain unbeaten in 11 games this season. O'Driscoll is still only 30 and will be around to lead Ireland in the 2011 World Cup, but he is a once-in-a-generation player and head coach Declan Kidney will be praying he remains injury-free for the next two years.

9. Argentina have strength in depth

Argentina may not have had the best of autumns, losing to Wales and England before beating Scotland, but they were competitive in all three games despite being without several of their star performers. When the Pumas finished third in the last World Cup many feared they could plummet down the rankings when the best of that generation reached the twilights of their careers. But they proved in November that they have talent coming through and could again be a force in 2011.

10. Steve Borthwick is still not a world-class

England's captain is an admirable man and has not shirked from the barrage of criticism thrown his way since he took over as England's leader at the start of Martin Johnson's reign. But the captain should - at the very least - be one of the first names on the team-sheet and even Borthwick's staunchest admirers would fail to argue this is the case. England may be short of choices when it comes to the captaincy, but they are not short of alternatives at lock. Simon Shaw is a shoe-in until he reaches pensionable age, while others might argue that Nick Kennedy, Courtney Lawes, Ben Kay and Louis Deacon are better options that Borthwick for the second row.

Terence O'Rorke / Eurosport

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  1. About 12. Chris, agree with the point, but there's­ no reason to feel ashamed about your fellow Welshmen­ booing the Canadian kicker (except that it's not­ 'sporting'). If I'm not mistaken, the­ kicker was Alex Munroe, who went to Glenalmond College,­ Scotland, (famous for producing Scotland's captains­ such as Rob Wainwright), where the war cry of the coll­ supporters is just that (Oggy, Oggy). he must have felt­ at home!

    From cgeos2, on Fri 4 Dec 8:07AM
  2. Hey Guys (and Dolls), Carter is a good player behind a­ great pack, but so also is Sexton, and he has just­ started. There is no question that ireland's BOD­ should have been Player of the Year, and not McCaw, who­ is no longer in the same class with his­ 'innocent' wandering offside that refs­ don't seem to pick up!

    From cgeos2, on Fri 4 Dec 7:57AM
  3. about the booing at the welsh game on saturday, why not­ before the game starts and at the half time break have­ some1 well known and popular to ask the crowd to please­ show some respect when the oppisition are kicking for­ goal. im sure if you had say rob howley,shane­ williams,ryan jones or even jonathen davies (snr) on­ the pitch with a mic before kickoff it would make a­ diference. this silly booing started a few years ago by­ kids at the regional games but now hundreds do it at­ the internationals games. at the canada game last year­ when the canadian fly half was taking a penalty the­ main screen started flashing 'OGGY OGGY OGGY'.­ there was even a fight where i was sat in the stadium­ on saturday between a very happy ozzy and a welsh­ supporter.i as a welshman felt very ashamed about it.­ something needs to be done before long or in a couple­ of years time its going to be like going to a football­ game and that is not good for rugby.cymru am byth

    From matthewschris55, on Tue 1 Dec 3:23PM
  4. FOUR Six Nations teams playing 15 Penalty Goals ­ NO tries says it all. THe "Mantis" rules long­ live kick & clap 'Rugby'

    From GEOFF S, on Tue 1 Dec 12:05PM
  5. I agree with point 2, I cannot stand the lack rucking. ­ I know players roll out of the way quicker now than­ they used too but sometimes they need a bit of­ assistance!

    Remember this is a hard contact sport not­ bleeding tiddlywinks.

    Most of the other points are­ valid as well-ohh fo a B O D in the England team!

    From adrian, on Tue 1 Dec 10:17AM
  6. Why can't the authors of these articles get their­ facts right!?- the young Aussie full back is JAMES­ O'Connor, and O'Driscoll's tackle was on­ Ruan Pienaar, not Rossouw.

    From Rob, on Tue 1 Dec 9:11AM
  7. Sccotland are on the up alright hblackburn, or so it­ would seem...
    I hope they can continue it to the 6N. I­ like the Scots, great National Anthem.

    From ptothej, on Tue 1 Dec 9:06AM
  8. Australia will always be a threat at world cups but the­ auther does not know is they have no one else to­ replace shoukd they have any imjuries.

    From Campbell, on Tue 1 Dec 12:57AM
  9. I'm not saying Scotland were brilliant this autumn,­ but I think they could win the 6 Nations followed by­ the world cup, and they would be belittled by the­ press! A decent Autumn, beating 2 sides higher than­ them in the rankings, and throwing it away against­ Argentina. But hey, expect nothing - you won't then­ be diissapointed!

    From hblackburn, on Mon 30 Nov 8:28PM
  10. I am sorry 'England not as bad as some think'!!­ YES THEY ARE!! simple as that, anyone who watches them­ knows they are. Stop picking on a mates system and pick­ the best players as most of them where not injuied as­ keeps being said but sitting at home still waiting for­ Johnson to give them a call to ask them to play!!!

    From jahl36, on Mon 30 Nov 8:09PM
  11. not a bad artical, picking up whats said about wales­ without ryan jones. they would be much much better with­ adam jones,ian gough,mike phillips,tom shanklin,gevin­ henson,leigh halfpenny,shane williams and lee byrne.­ never mind we lost and all we can do is look what went­ wrong,how to overcome the problem and move on. cant­ wait for the 6nations its gonna be so tight next year.­ hopefully wales will travel to twickers not as­ favourites as they always seem to play better as the­ underdogs. when they're favourites they just dont­ play well because of the pressure and expectation to­ win well i.e france,italy,england last 6nations. cymru­ am byth

    From matthewschris55, on Mon 30 Nov 6:00PM
  12. Comment hidden due to its low rating. Show

    Fergusen licks he juices in rooneys pu.ssy cos they­ arent getting it at home.....frustration at a poor­ history that will never match liverpools

    From Jack, on Mon 30 Nov 4:14PM
  13. While brian O'Driscoll is an unbelieveable player,­ i wouldnt agree that Ireland are lost without him. ­ Ireland's A's have had an unbelievable season­ and have gone undeafted this year as well as the­ seniors. There's a really talented centre on the­ rise called Fergus MacFadden, he's already showing­ brilliant form.

    From andrew, on Mon 30 Nov 4:05PM
  14. Not sure if you were watching the game but it was not­ Pienaar that BOD stopped and he got through his usual­ high quality amount of work for and with his Team. I­ am a munsterman who is both surprised and delighted by­ his play this year

    From domani, on Mon 30 Nov 2:59PM
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