Internationals - Oval Talk: Time to look ahead

Eurosport - Mon, 02 Nov 12:37:00 2009

As Leicester's Richard Blaze becomes the latest England casualty, Oval Talk asks what expectations we should now have of Martin Johnson's side ahead of their challenging November series.

Steffon Armitage - England - 0

It seems you cannot pick up a newspaper these days without reading of another England player joining Johnson's extensive injury list.

On the last count, Johnson was unable to call on 19 players who would have been there or thereabouts in terms of squad selection for the game with Australia at Twickenham on Saturday.

Some of these players may become available later in the month for the clashes with Argentina and New Zealand, but as it stands England are hardly in a position of strength, especially when you consider that 10 of the injured would likely have started against the Wallabies.

Perhaps only New Zealand and South Africa would be able to cope with such a loss and still remain competitive, and we will see on Saturday whether England's playing resources run as deep as Johnson and the RFU hope they do.

As one would expect, there have been no complaints from Johnson and his coaching team and one wonders whether the situation may in fact turn out to be a blessing in disguise by forcing their collective hand.

After all, the former England skipper has a record of turning to proven internationals ahead of younger, less experienced players, no matter the form they have been showing for their clubs.

Johnson is a pragmatist who sees winning the next game as all important. Look after the result and player development will follow.

It is important to establish whether or not England have been significantly weakened by their injury list? They may be missing at least 10 regular starters, but are these players that much better, or better at all, than those currently available to Johnson?

Recent results suggest they are. Johnson's side struggled badly in their November series last year, but made decent progress during the Six Nations before going backwards in the drawn summer series with Argentina when they were without their Lions players.

Phil Vickery, Andrew Sheridan, Simon Shaw, Lee Mears, Riki Flutey, Tom Croft and Harry Ellis were all with the Lions in South Africa and all bar Croft are again unavailable through injury, or making their way back from injury.

This month England are also without full-back Delon Armitage and number eight Nick Easter, two of their better performers in the past 12 months.

It stands to reason then that we should lower our expectations of England over the next month, that we should perhaps put performance and development ahead of the three results.

All three of the opposition are higher than England in the IRB world rankings, and while Australia had a torrid time in the Tri-Nations and are missing several key players, they will - at the very least - be hardened by regular battles with the Springboks and All Blacks.

The Pumas are also missing a few star names and the current New Zealand side can hardly be described as vintage, despite having Dan Carter and Richie McCaw in their ranks.

None, however, are in the precarious position of England in terms of injuries and as a result OT feels Johnson should use the next three games to develop players for the future, with one eye firmly on the 2011 World Cup.

Give the likes of Ben Foden, Courtney Lawes and Matt Banahan the chance to show what they can do at this level, and hand Steffon Armitage (pictured), Dylan Hartley, Nick Kennedy, James Haskell and Shane Geraghty another opportunity to replicate their club form in the red rose of England.

And that includes a game-plan, and the responsibility, that allows them to play to their strengths.

In terms of results, it may not give Johnson the best chance of reaching the end of this month in credit, but he would at least have blooded a number of players for the future and gained valuable information on their England potential.

There is a good chance England will lose all three of their games irrespective of who they put out, so why not take advantage of a difficult situation?

OT's England XV v Australia:

15-Ben Foden, 14-Matt Banahan, 13-Dan Hipkiss, 12-Shane Geraghty, 11-Ugo Monye, 10-Jonny Wilkinson, 9-Danny Care; 8-James Haskell, 7-Steffon Armitage, 6-Tom Croft, 5-Nick Kennedy, 4-Courtney Lawes, 3-David Wilson, 2-Dylan Hartley (capt), 1-Tim Payne.

Terence O'Rorke / Eurosport

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  1. no im not talking about england beating the all blacks­ i dont think we can because they have a decent side i­ just said last week against the aussies they were­ mediocre and hammered them...as for saying im living in­ 2003...im under no illutions that we are no where near­ the dizzie hights of back then but my basis for the­ england result on sat isnt taken on how good england­ are but how bad australia are... with wilkinson he will­ keep the score board ticking over in realism hes gonna­ kick at least 15 points in penelties that mean for ur­ prediction of a 20 point win australia would have t­ score 35 past england...not gonna happen australia are­ a very poor team coming of the back of a lot of heavy­ losses i couldnt say who will win because of the­ england injuries but i know 15 men in white will be­ playing for the shirt on thier back on sat

    From paul s, on Tue 3 Nov 5:05PM
  2. ok we have lost alot of players but we wasnt setting­ the rugby world on fire with these players as most of­ them were under performing for the last 3-4 years. this­ could be a blessing in disguise in which johnson doesnt­ have his mates in the squad and will have players who­ dont get the chance (when most of them should) to play­ for england.
    austrailia are there for the taking if­ they let wilko play and not use him as a battering ram­ as prev england teams tend to do (ie toulon move has­ been excellent for him). but we all know what johnsons­ instructions will be only use forwards only use back­ when it is last resort.

    From Iain, on Tue 3 Nov 1:18PM
  3. 6 Sean d. In 2003 an England B team beat the NZ Maori.­ An entirely different team beat the All Blacks at home­ the following week. Is it a typical All Black memory­ that forgets such things? Truth is, you had to get to­ the final to play England in the World Cup and you­ didn't.
    In the Investec I imagine that NZ will put­ England to the sword, big score and go home with lovely­ big smiles and that will be the memory you cherish.

    From blues fan, on Tue 3 Nov 12:55PM
  4. um... comment number 6? Just to the England beating the­ All Blacks in 2003 part: in june they toured­ australasia and beat the new zealand maori 23-9, the­ all blacks 15-13 and Australia 25-14. I believe in the­ 2002 internationals South Africa, Australia, and New­ Zealand all came up to Twickenham and were all sent­ away with losses, South Africa facing their heaviest­ defeat against England ever I believe

    However I agree,­ England are not good enough to beat the All Blacks­ right now, the only way I see it happening is if Croft­ and Armitage have monster performances in all 3 games­ and Wilkinson plays the best he has played since­ 2003... so not very likely

    From rader, on Tue 3 Nov 2:36AM
  5. paul you are living in 2003,,,england are going­ steadily backwards.....and there is never a mediocre­ all black side!!england never seem to beat them do­ they?2003 included !!!!

    From sean d, on Mon 2 Nov 10:26PM
  6. with wilkinson in the side you cant write england of­ hell land 99% of penelties any were in opposition half­ and with the pace of monye and the loose play from­ armatige and croft i cant see us being that bad..the­ scrums may be a target area but england have been­ dominante there for years but failed to win games­ ....and 20 point win by the aussies???? did u watch­ them get trounced by a mediocre all black side last­ week i think its the worst aussie side iv ever seen u­ must be on crack or summit

    From paul s, on Mon 2 Nov 10:01PM
  7. Terence O'Rorke you makle sence at last give the­ young ones a go they got nothing to lose but everything­ to gain

    From alan, on Mon 2 Nov 8:08PM
  8. england will lose by twenty points margin!

    From sean d, on Mon 2 Nov 7:59PM
  9. I don't think the aussies are too strong this year­ at all.
    Strong scrum and loose forwards, that's it!­
    Linouts a shambles, their defence is poorly organized,­ and their backs aren't great at all.
    However, I­ still can't see England winning...

    From ptothej, on Mon 2 Nov 6:52PM
  10. cant see england winning!..........aussies too strong­ this year!

    From sean d, on Mon 2 Nov 6:10PM
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