Carter: Don't take my 250s away

Eurosport - Tue, 05 May 15:41:00 2009

Eurosport-Yahoo! blogger Tony Carter is already lamenting the departure of the 250cc World Championship, set to be replaced by Moto2.

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I'm sorry to say this, and I'm sure there will be a few people out there who will have a go at me for it, but I just can't get excited about the forthcoming Moto2 GP class.

If you don't know what it's all about, the 250cc class of two-stroke screamers has been dealt the death blow and 2010 will be the final season for the quarter-litre machines.

Maybe I'm just being a boring old fart, one of those blokes who harp on about the old days and how the bikes then were tough beasts that only a few people could handle, let alone get the best out of.

Maybe I can't see the plain truth, that the Moto2 proposals for a one-make (Honda) engine housed in a series of tweaked chassis set-up by the likes of Moriwaki, Harris etc will make for stunning racing.

Maybe I'm just so much of a two-stroke fan that I've got my head stuck in the sand - or elsewhere, I'm sure you'll point out - about it all.

But I just can't get excited.

Perhaps the explanation for my apathy is that we, the racing community, already have a 600cc World Championship that is terrific to watch.

The World Supersport Championship is one of - if not THE - best racing series on the planet currently. Yes, they are 600cc four-strokes, but it is certainly not a one-make engine series, the grids are full and we're treated to elbow-to-elbow action at every round, throughout the field.

The current 250cc and 125cc two-stroke championships give us consistently great racing too. And they are made all the more interesting because of the types of bikes, engines and white-hot competition served up there.

Will the Honda championship - as it will surely be named at some point in the future - do the same?

It probably will, but to sit here and think about the lack of the screaming strokers fills me with a melancholy for an era gone. These are motorcycles that are at the very edge of racetrack weaponry. Simple they are not, but there is far more of a personal touch from the tuners, mechanics and riders with a 250cc GP bike than its 600cc four-stroke counterpart.

If you've ever ridden a sorted 250 on track you'll know just how precise you have to be at everything just to get a semi-decent lap time. The right revs, suspension, braking marker, body position and throttle/clutch control. Get all that absolutely right and then worry about your peel in point, the line through the corner and the five other loons trying to occupy the same bit of the track as you.

Get one thing - one thing - slightly wrong by the slightest of fractions and you're left behind. You're far more knackered than you would ever be on a 600.

Which is why I think the 250s - and the 125s which won't be long for this world either - are the last true race tool. Nothing comes close to a fast 250 on song, inch-perfect on a quick lap with a supremely talented rider playing it like it was a priceless violin - a light touch needed to coax the best from the best that would flip its rider off in the blink of an eye.

The quarter-litre class still brings something very special to the racing world. Far more special, I think, than another 600cc championship which is going to be very hard pushed to compete with the stunning WSS displays we see every other Sunday.

On a domestic note, I hope you enjoyed the BSB from Oulton Park on Monday. The weather might have been a bit patchy but nothing could dampen the racing.

Anyone still think this year is going to be quiet in comparison to 2008? Not if Leon Camier, Karl Harris, Stuart Easton, Glen Richards, Josh Brookes, Sylvain Guintoli, Simon Andrews, Jason O'Halloran or any of the others have anything to do with it.

Fantastic stuff.

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Tony Carter / Eurosport

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  1. Hi guys!!can anyone tell which website can see all the­ sport channel live online free?someone did mention the­ website before...but somehow or rather i have forget­ it....kindly help....thanks alot!!!!

    From loo, on Mon 11 May 3:22AM
  2. Two strokes can be emissions friendly. It's a bunch­ of bull pretending they can't.
    This will the­ beginning of the end for the whole series. I won't­ be watching 600s.

    From Dean, on Sun 10 May 5:55PM
  3. things move on i just wish you could use any 600 engine­ from any road bike with some luck someone like kenny­ roberts and aftermarket parts companies will get­ involved to showcase the aftermarket kits and parts­ give it a old style cafe racer theme then maybe we will­ end up with bikes on the road more varied and not all­ japenese look a likeys

    From gary s, on Sun 10 May 10:36AM
  4. A lot of people wailed and moaned when the 500­ 2-strokes were dropped from MotoGP, but the racing has­ been excellent with both the 900cc and 800cc 4-stroke­ MotoGP bikes. Yes race fans will miss the 250 class,­ but the 600cc Moto2 bikes will provide great­ entertainment at the meetings, and provide a fine­ training ground for guys like Bradley Smith, Scott­ Redding and Danny Webb to move up to MotoGP in the near­ future. Yes it's a change, it's regrettable,­ but change happens.

    From Only Human After All, on Sat 9 May 7:53PM
  5. Couldn't agree more. Can't get excited at all­ about the CBR600 cup, sorry MotoGP2! For me you­ can't beat the harsh shrill of a­ "stroker" on song. Bring back the 500s i­ say!!!

    From diane61robinson, on Sat 9 May 6:57PM
  6. 250cc is the most exciting race to watch in the whole­ motogp weekend...........if they want moto2 decrease­ the motogp class or something

    From govindzad, on Sat 9 May 6:13AM
  7. I'm not interested one bit in Moto2 (600cc Class)­ If you want to watch 600's race you can watch any­ other championship anywhere in the world­ "Superstock, Supersport Ect" 125's and­ 250's are Proper Racing Machines and Truly Amazing­ things to race! And Watch.... The day they kill off 2­ Stroke Racing will be a Very Sad Day for Bikers and­ Racers all over the world, Nothing could replace the­ sound of a 2 Stroke GP Bike on song screaming past you­ on a race track. I for one will have a angry tear in my­ eye when the final 250 crosses the line this year cause­ we would have seen the end of an era, The 2 Stroke­ Screamer will be gone for ever...

    From Woofit, on Sat 9 May 12:02AM
  8. i think there should still be 250cc

    From Gary G, on Thu 7 May 6:14PM
  9. I don't mind the moto gp2 class coming, but will­ miss the 250's class big time. I love the smell­ the 2-stroke exhaust, the sound the engine makes, and­ the pure excitment the racing has always been, but i am­ sure the moto gp2 class will have its own special­ features. My problem is the single engine­ manufacturing rule, how pants is that. Why should­ honda just get to be the only engine out there. Surely­ racing is about different machines, with different­ talents riding them.

    From punisher9258, on Thu 7 May 11:12AM
  10. i'm still gutted the 500's went....i wont be­ watching yet another 600 class.

    From edd, on Thu 7 May 6:26AM
  11. Last thread, I live and work in Japan, I am not a pom,­ you racist worm! Grow up. If you cannot understand­ constructive criticism then you should move back to­ kindergarten and learn it all again. This site is for­ constructive idea sharing, not abuse. I have been­ involved actively through sponsorship and support for­ over 15 years with three Japanese riders. You may­ remember FCC technical sports racing, appearing in­ Motogp several times. I will go so far as to claim­ anything other than one of my riders rode for that­ team, and I was very proud to see her move into the­ 125cc class. I am talking about Tomoko Igata. I­ don't care who you are, judging by your name,­ you're obviously someone who has been banned for­ similar racist views.

    From EGK, on Thu 7 May 4:07AM
  12. unlucky ginger pubes, you've lost them, 250's­ are to close to 125's and 600's will make for­ better racing, just watch worldsuperspoorts or the­ BSB'S supersport's, more of a spectacle than­ [yawn] 250''s- REPSOL ROSS

    From rrcarsofgosport, on Wed 6 May 8:27PM
  13. Carter you are right about 2 things:
    1. you are a­ boring old fart
    2. killing the 250cc class for a honda­ 600 cup is a bad thing! Nothing appealing about that.

    From Colin, on Wed 6 May 6:09PM
  14. Tony Carter has it absolutely correct. The demise of­ the 2 stroke is as much backward step in technology as­ grounding Concorde. Allowing the new Honda­ championship to run is equally backward, since it is­ just a weekly rolling advert for Honda, and we will­ lose the continuity of young rider development. If­ they felt the need for a four stroke smaller class­ could they have at least used the imagination and­ dreamt up a low cost 400cc twin (1/2 an 800) or 600cc­ single with control electrics? This new series will be­ very interesting for the suppliers of engines and­ parts, but no more interesting to viewers than the BMW­ cup, so TV revenues will fall too, and Superbike and­ Supercup racing will continue to grow.

    From TarquinRD, on Wed 6 May 8:56AM
  15. Also, someone mentioned emissions. But, how can they­ use that line anymore, last year Simoncelli's­ Gilera was cleaner burning and produced less harmful­ gas than Rossi's M1 did... Aprilia and Gilera have­ been using lean-burn engines for the past three years,­ something Motogp can't get right just yet. Also,­ they have run catalytic convertors in all exits ports­ for the last four years. People are developing­ two-strokes, and the peak has not been found just yet.­ KTM said, developing the two-stroke was more­ challenging but, also more rewarding. Perhaps that­ sentiment is touching, but, Honda put simply, are only­ interested in sales performances. The cost to put a­ road worthy two-stroke out, is far higher than a simple­ four stroke motor machine. Also, most people don't­ know how to work with two-strokes, they can't fix­ them themselves, and they usually cost more to put­ right due to the stresses the motor are under. Most­ people who have them, learn quickly, warm them up,­ check everything, but some people, don't want that­ extra hardship to riding anymore. Lets put it another­ way....Ride hard? Look good? or Ride hard...Know your­ bike, work on it....and look good? We're almost­ like classic bikes enthusiasts really aren't­ we....The funny thing is, in 2004 Suzuki developed a­ 700cc two-stroke motor and requested its use in Motogp.­ The motor produced 264BHP at the rear wheel. And using­ the four stroke electrics and chasis would have been a­ true monster I think.

    From EGK, on Wed 6 May 4:01AM
  16. How can anyone be optimistic about the Moto2 class when­ so many manufacturers are about to say goodbye to the­ motogp grid because of it. Already, KTM have left and­ now Gilera, Yamaha And Aprilia have signaled their exit­ from the potential classification. How can anyone make­ a decision that removes manufacturers from the grid?­ The idea of racing is not to showcase anything other­ than manufacturers. The riders on them, for sure make­ the fans pay clsoer attention. But the machines­ themselves are the true marvel of the sport. If they­ are all the same, what's the marvel factor? Close­ racing? Well, let me tell to this and add facts to it.­ One makes races have never been close. They have never­ held attentions. They have never produced new riders to­ move up. Infact they are usually the home of has-beens­ and near do wells. Already Simoncelli has said he would­ rather ride WSB next year than move to motogp as he­ won't be allowed a factory machine. Spies has said­ too, he'd rather stay away from the "mickey­ mouse motogp paddock". Who is going to be next?­ Rossi has added his words to caution, as have Giberneu,­ Pedrosa and Lorenzo. All of them have said what a bad­ idea this is. Restricting rider ages aswel, as I've­ heard in Japan, the rider age for Moto2 will be 20­ years old minumum and 30 years old maximum. Also the­ 125cc clas has had its age restriction changed, to 16­ years old minumum. So what do potential riders do for­ four years if they enter and win the 125cc class? But­ hold on, the 125cc class will end in 2012­ (officially)....So what will replace that? If anything?­ For years Honda wanted rid of the very British 50cc,­ 80cc, 125cc, 250cc, 350cc, and 500cc format. And now,­ we're seeing them finally do away with it...

    From EGK, on Wed 6 May 3:49AM
  17. It is very sad to see the 250's go as we all­ remember the days when bike racing was all about the­ sound and the smell of castrol r. We have to remember­ that even though the 250's give great racing,­ unless you have one of the top factory bikes then you­ really have no chance off getting to the front and as­ for tuning a modern 250 engine in your kitchen and­ being in with a chance of a win i am sad to say has­ long gone.If the factories had kept building road going­ 250's (which were ace to ride) then i think we­ might just have been able to find a way to get them­ cleaner burning.But looking back you can see why they­ didn't sell when an rs250 cost about £4999 and an­ cbr 600 about £5999(import). Lets hope that the new­ moto gp2 gives what the supports want

    From engadamotorcycles, on Wed 6 May 2:05AM
  18. First word, i am sorry. i really miss 250cc class if­ its over and replacing with moto2.
    maybe 2-stroke­ engine deathly soon but its like art on motorcycle.The­ technology always change day by day. i think, FIM could­ categories with care more for small engine like 125 and­ 250cc. give a specific difference type of class like­ 125cc, Moto2 (600cc)and motoGP (1000cc).Small engine i­ Think need average small budget. its could be a small­ team survive.this year in 125 cc, we have about 40­ riders.i dont know better about motoring manufacture­ but in my country a lots of the people used an 4-stroke­ bike with 80c@#$%il 150cc.i am sorry agains.

    From No_war, on Wed 6 May 2:01AM
  19. It is very sad, the Global economic situation has to be­ partly to blame for the adoption of this single engine­ supplier (and possibly the single tyre supplier­ situation in MotoGP). I loved the racing between­ Spencer, Sheene, Lawson, Gardner, Schwantz, Doohan,­ Criville, Rossi, Biaggi, Mamola, Abe et al during the­ 500cc 2-stroke era (please forgive me if i've­ missed out any superstars of that time), but the MotoGP­ bikes of today are what we have, and we must make the­ best of it. I enjoy the racing still, but miss the­ excitement of those 'golden days'. We have to­ remember that Honda 250s in the 1960s were 4-strokes­ (even some 80cc racers were 4-strokes) so in a way, the­ 2-strokes were a backward step. I hope to see the grids­ of 20 or more bikes again in all the classes, but I am­ an optimist, and fear that the smaller grids we are­ seeing in MotoGP may be the norm for all the GP­ classes, more's the pity.

    From Only Human After All, on Tue 5 May 11:29PM
  20. I m also sad about the end of the 250.Two stroke­ engines are just something different,they have more of­ a soul.I ve practiced go karting a while ago with 100­ and 125 racing engines and the sound and grunt of the­ things was amazing.In a two stroke,if by mistake your­ revs go down even 1000 rpm in the wrong spot you can­ easily loose a position.Four stroke engines are more­ forgiving and will therefore lead to drivers not­ evolving that much.And the list thing I want to add is­ that of the greatest things with a two stroke engine is­ that you can basicly pull it out take your tools and­ tune it in you kitchen and any good mechanic can have a­ say in his engine by just a small angle adjustment.But­ I guess no matter what any of us say we re still gonna­ have to bid our fond farewells to the sound of­ carburetor engines,the smell of oil mixed­ gasoline,basicly the good old 250s.

    From serban, on Tue 5 May 10:21PM
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