Reuters - Thu, 05 Nov 12:51:00 2009
Ferrari have compared the disappearance of leading manufacturers from Formula One to an Agatha Christie murder mystery, with the finger of guilt pointed at former FIA president Max Mosley.
Toyota announced on Wednesday that they were quitting the sport, less than a year after Japanese rivals Honda pulled out and only days since BMW said their farewells in the season-ending Abu Dhabi race.
Sole tyre supplier Bridgestone have also said they will leave at the end of 2010 while Renault's board were reported to have met on Wednesday to consider the future of the former champions.
"It could be seen as a parody of "Ten Little Indians," the detective novel by Agatha Christie...but the reality is much more serious. Formula One continues to lose major players," Ferrari said on their website.
"The reality is that this gradual defection from the F1 fold has more to do with a war waged against the major car manufacturers by those who managed Formula One over the past few years, than the result of any economic crisis.
"In Christie's work of fiction, the guilty party was only uncovered when all the other characters died, one after the other," it added.
"Do we want to wait for this to happen or do we want to pen a different ending to the book on Formula One?"
Formula One should still have more teams next season than the 10 that competed in 2009, with four newcomers already confirmed and the former BMW-Sauber team also in line to return under new owners.
However Ferrari, the sport's most successful and glamorous team, said the new entrants were no substitute for those that had gone.
"Can we claim that it's a case of like for like, just because the numbers sitting around the table are the same?" the statement continued.
"Hardly and we must also wait and see just how many of them will really be there on the grid for the first race of next season in Bahrain and how many will still be there at the end of 2010."
Formula One manufacturer teams clashed repeatedly with Mosley this year, even threatening to set up their own championship over the Briton's plans to introduce a budget cap as part of radical cost-cutting measures.
Mosley stepped down as International Automobile Federation president last month, with former Ferrari team boss Jean Todt winning an election to replace him.
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I'd have bought tickets to see the "breakaway" championship, not. If the big teams had gone their own way we would have had a championship that looked like the US GP of 2005.
well as long as you enjoyed the season of f1, thats all that matters, i did, amazin to see Button take 6 wins in the first 7 races, frustrating it took him til brazil to collect the title, but thats what happens when your competitors catch up and if he had taken it in Hungary as predicted, everyone would of complained about a boring season, so i guess you can't win either way, be intersting to see how the cars adapt to nex years fuel ban, expect to see lots of drivers pullin over halfway through or drivin slowly..i dunno how does that work?
Elias.
And so you should be. But nobody has called you anything. You seem determined to read meanings that aren't there into others' words - even when they are quite clearly words of empathy. I sincerely believe that brucef1lee's comments are far more offensive especially as they are deliberately meant to offend. (Racism against French, Spanish and Americans as well as homophobia)
Words change their meanings over the years and distances. Words that were offensive 100 years ago (or more) are now common place, whilst words that were inoffensive have become offensive... it's not the word itself, but the intended meaning behind it.
The word to which you object was originally inoffensive- it simply referred to the colour "black". So don't blame little old Agatha Christie for the evolution of language. Blame those who took the word and used it as a derogatory term for black people.
Also what is offensive in one society or group can be offensive in another. And as we are on the topic of racism and the word ni..gger, I shall use that as an example. That word is used between Afro-Americans with no hint of racism (of course). However, I assume you are British, so you will be more familiar than I with the fact that it is taboo in British English.
As an aside, where I live the word "black" is considered derogatory, so the word "dark" is used instead. It's a funny old world!
Anyway, I hope you enjoyed listening to music today and I hope this unfortunate discussion can be filed away and you'll be back with comments on F1- which is why we post here.
Take it easy.
I'm black and proud of it call me ni..........gger and and I'm at you 24/7 365 I don't play that game . Pablo you support this drab asking me stupid questions when you know what he meant then act as if I'm racist ? Call me ni..gger or post ni...gger and I see it it its on baby I'm at you . Happy I'm going to listen to music now .
"o im sorri senor elias, i didnt mean to speak my mind, my profound apologies, i will take my burro and see to the garden..... " happy now? jesu christo...
Apologies to rev jesse jackson I thought you were looney but you were right it will take time .
Well goodnight and don't hide behind book tittles next time . I used to like agatha christie till tonight when I found out about her book tittle . I wrote a post denouncing racism saying we need to be one now I wonder . I how could she call blacks ni...ggers if she didn't mean it ? I mantain swinaldo you are not in 1920 and you should have known better . 616 don't care what you call me I don't care what you eat don't make me @#$% .
Six onesix I wish I could see you so that you coul say your drivel to my face . The word ni....gger is offensive end of . I don't care how much support you have , it should not have been said period . You have never been labelled ni...gger have you ? If you find me disrespectful good I mean to , how can respect someone who uses ni...gger any chance they get ? Maybe I'm a nazi ?
Swinaldo you started all this ni.....gger thing hope you are proud now you are inoccent on the sidelines . I don't mind how anybody feels about me the ni...gger word is deragatory and should not have been used , end of but you had to . Go and talk to a group of coloureds abouts ten little ni...ggers and let's see what you get .
Pablo you have to add your two pennies ? Ok yes if you want to be a nazi then yes you are .
Steffi to me the comment you made sounds lame why would white people complain of racism against blacks when its not directed against them ? Coming from a german I think its a bit rich when you look at history and the attacks on blacks eg timbaland at his gig in germany . He was called a ni...gger too by the way . Now swinaldo has changed his wording and called the N word ! The word has not gone mad , he should not used the word end of . If you think you are right go to a bar and say ni...gger to some black guys and see what they do .
If you find me racist good I did not mean to charm you . I do not respect anybody that takes cheap shots and I'm not acting innocent I just don't give a damn . One bill oriley is enough we don't need three , the post said indians to which they are called up to date . You just had to say ni....gger ? The word on its own is offensive . Count I say they are white myself . I can't see black people running around talking of ten not even nig.....ers but little ones ? If you find me offensive good you know how I feel . That word is offensive on its own you now call it the n word .
Who says they're white people?
Damn. I didn't think stating a factual point about the book they were referencing would create such a problem - although it is only a couple of idiots who don't seem to understand.
Elias, if anyone of us is racist, then I suggest it is you, with that huge chip on your shoulder that is happy and willing to instantly play the card against any white person you care to. DO NOT assume that every white person is racist, DO NOT read meanings into comments when they clearly don't exist, and DO NOT come on to these pages claiming to be the innocent party while making unfonded accusations.
You're insulting and offensive attitude is disgraceful and you have chosen to purposefully misinterpret an innocent comment because you "feel like it". As I said before, if anyone is racist here, then it is you, with your rash and inaccurate assumptions about what a couple of white people have said.
Thanks to potter the prat for adding to this debate.
Potter, whoever you are, have you ever considered the possibility that you may be a complete waste of oxygen?
Brawn........Bumfluff Button with his FLUKE and unearned title will be the "new" Barrichello at Brawn..Nico's whipping boy..
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Ferrfarti.....Alonso will cause no end of trouble at Ferrfarti and Massa is a none starter...
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USF1 ...... U S h it F aggots 1
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Williams... yeah what ever.
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Red bull-cr ap... hahahahaaaa..
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Toyota......nail biters
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Manor Cosworth.... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
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Force India....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
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Torro Rosso....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
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Sauber ...... F1's very own deadwood collection.
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Lotus........ Resigned to the history books forever.
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Campos Meta.......Spanish work shy fops.
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Renault........... Lucky to be on the grid at all the French surrender monkey's. (drivers need death wish)
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...McLAREN ..still under FULL control of the great Ron Dennis will have the YOUNGEST EVER WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPION and PROUD Englishman Lewis Hamilton at the front next season ... no matter who gets the other drive..
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== McLAREN WIN 2010 CONSTRUCTORS == HAMILTON WINS 2010 WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP ==
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............... McLAREN TAKE 3rd..........Ferrfarti 4th .......yyyyyyyyyeeeeessssss!!!
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............... POTTER = OFFICIALLY THE THICKEST ON F1 SITE....YYYYEESSSS!!!!!.....
Brawn........Bumfluff Button with his FLUKE and unearned title will be the "new" Barrichello at Brawn..Nico's whipping boy..
-
Ferrfarti.....Alonso will cause no end of trouble at Ferrfarti and Massa is a none starter...
-
USF1 ...... U S h it F aggots 1
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Williams... yeah what ever.
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Red bull-cr ap... hahahahaaaa..
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Toyota......nail biters
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Manor Cosworth.... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
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Force India....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Torro Rosso....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Sauber ...... F1's very own deadwood collection.
-
Lotus........ Resigned to the history books forever.
-
Campos Meta.......Spanish work shy fops.
-
Renault........... Lucky to be on the grid at all the French surrender monkey's. (drivers need death wish)
-
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...McLAREN ..still under FULL control of the great Ron Dennis will have the YOUNGEST EVER WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPION and PROUD Englishman Lewis Hamilton at the front next season ... no matter who gets the other drive..
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== McLAREN WIN 2010 CONSTRUCTORS == HAMILTON WINS 2010 WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP ==
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............... McLAREN TAKE 3rd..........Ferrfarti 4th .......yyyyyyyyyeeeeessssss!!!
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............... POTTER = OFFICIALLY THE THICKEST ON F1 SITE....YYYYEESSSS!!!!!.....
Brawn........Bumfluff Button with his FLUKE and unearned title will be the "new" Barrichello at Brawn..Nico's whipping boy..
-
Ferrfarti.....Alonso will cause no end of trouble at Ferrfarti and Massa is a none starter...
-
USF1 ...... U S h it F aggots 1
-
Williams... yeah what ever.
-
Red bull-cr ap... hahahahaaaa..
-
Toyota......nail biters
-
Manor Cosworth.... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Force India....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Torro Rosso....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Sauber ...... F1's very own deadwood collection.
-
Lotus........ Resigned to the history books forever.
-
Campos Meta.......Spanish work shy fops.
-
Renault........... Lucky to be on the grid at all the French surrender monkey's. (drivers need death wish)
-
-
...McLAREN ..still under FULL control of the great Ron Dennis will have the YOUNGEST EVER WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPION and PROUD Englishman Lewis Hamilton at the front next season ... no matter who gets the other drive..
-
== McLAREN WIN 2010 CONSTRUCTORS == HAMILTON WINS 2010 WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP ==
-
............... McLAREN TAKE 3rd..........Ferrfarti 4th .......yyyyyyyyyeeeeessssss!!!
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-
............... POTTER = OFFICIALLY THE THICKEST ON F1 SITE....YYYYEESSSS!!!!!.....
Brawn........Bumfluff Button with his FLUKE and unearned title will be the "new" Barrichello at Brawn..Nico's whipping boy..
-
Ferrfarti.....Alonso will cause no end of trouble at Ferrfarti and Massa is a none starter...
-
USF1 ...... U S h it F aggots 1
-
Williams... yeah what ever.
-
Red bull-cr ap... hahahahaaaa..
-
Toyota......nail biters
-
Manor Cosworth.... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Force India....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Torro Rosso....... phuuuaaaaaaarrrrrrppppp
-
Sauber ...... F1's very own deadwood collection.
-
Lotus........ Resigned to the history books forever.
-
Campos Meta.......Spanish work shy fops.
-
Renault........... Lucky to be on the grid at all the French surrender monkey's. (drivers need death wish)
-
-
...McLAREN ..still under FULL control of the great Ron Dennis will have the YOUNGEST EVER WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPION and PROUD Englishman Lewis Hamilton at the front next season ... no matter who gets the other drive..
-
== McLAREN WIN 2010 CONSTRUCTORS == HAMILTON WINS 2010 WORLD DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP ==
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............... McLAREN TAKE 3rd..........Ferrfarti 4th .......yyyyyyyyyeeeeessssss!!!
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............... POTTER = OFFICIALLY THE THICKEST ON F1 SITE....YYYYEESSSS!!!!!.....
Glad someone agrees Count. I was exceedingly angry when I read the post from Elias accusing me of being racist. While I was uncomfortable with my original post because it was obvious in the title that it was the N-word, truly no offence was intended. This book was published at a time when people perhaps did not consider people's feelings when using certain words.
Not only that I don't think Agatha Christie was being racist for one moment. In fact didn't the title come from a much older nursery rhyme?
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