Its about time the Jewish community grew up, stopped­ jumping on the bandwagon of mis-representation and took­ a good long look at their own tolerance of other­ religions. Oh, and stop using the Holocaust to justify­ your anger.

It's really strange, I don't really know if­ Bernie's comments were taken out of context,­ something journalists excel at, or not. Yet, he­ shouldn't even so much as hint that hitler knows­ how to get things done, knowing that at 78, Bernie­ surely remembers the terrible sound of Hitler's­ V2's blindly falling on the heads of innocent­ civilians

they will let this go and that bad when people die to­ free those country and for this man to use Hitler and­ Saddam Hussein in any form of racing is wrong!!!

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Helen dear, you're wasting your breath. Mules­ don't understand history, they're too stupid.

.BMW board of directors must demand fromFamily Quandt­­­ that they handover their shares to the factoryworkers­­­ !!!
Family Quandt got the money through warcrimes !!

the poisen demented dwarf has finally got his­ cumuppance !!
hope you get what for you horrible­ little turd ,
8 million jews suffered at hitlers reign­ , and having moseley at your side banging slags with­ his swasticker arm band , the pair of you want kicking­ out of the sport . And now with a little luck you will­ be !!

well Francis if you have been following all the posts­ about this then you will have noticed that my posts­ (despite thumbs down) about the history do include the­ ideology that led to the problems and that it went­ across many countries I think so far I have named the­ UK USA Sweden and Austrailia as well as Germany. I have­ also clearly stated that its the views of the obnoxious­ man rather than a country and that he set about­ creating the situation where he could fulfil his­ vision.

However that does not mean that this was a­ forum for discussing all aspects of conflict across the­ globe in the last 100 years, as the article was about­ the views of a man in F1 and no matter how many tinmes­ he tries to say he was misunderstood, and not­ considering the time of the holocaust and the killing­ of Jewish people (which rightly he was not) he misses­ the entire point that at that time Hitler was messing­ with the heads, minds and hearts of his own people and­ taking German lives at that point. Wider extermination­ was only possible in the war.

So yes you are right­ there are many unpleasent conflicts and truths in­ history, but we were only concentrating on one because­ this is not a history forum but one concerning F1 and­ this was concerning the views of the owner of F1.

and helen. if you dont believe me just look at the­ posts from that idiot ape. some where along the line­ his family tree musta tried the @#$% thing cause this­ clown is definately queer

well hello darling . how are you. everyone got history­ behind them so if you are going to throw the stones­ than your going to get a few rocks throwed back at you.­ this kinda talk leads some people to think that all the­ germans are bad , or all the brits are bad or the irish­ . the favorite saying here last november was " get­ over it " . funny how the gang here dont seem to­ think that way about somethink 65 years ago .

The Quandts, the documentary asserted, had close ties­ to high Nazi party officials. Adolf Hitler himself­ acted as witness to the second marriage ceremony of­ family patriach Gunther Quandt's first wife Magda­ to Nazi propoganda mastermind Joseph Goebbels, and the­ infamous couple raised Gunther's son Harald. The­ Quandts, according to the research, used the wealth­ amassed from the suffering of victims of the Nazi­ regime fifteen years after the war to buy BMW, and­ continues to hold 47% stake in the automaking­ conglomorate.

Filed under: Government/Legal, BMW,­ Earnings/Financials

Documentary implicates BMW's­ controlling shareholders in War Crimes
by Noah Joseph­ on Oct 25th 2007 at 7:01PM

For those who missed the­ news, a documentary aired late last month at the­ Hamburg film festival and on German television in which­ the Quandt family, principal shareholders in BMW, have­ been implicated in Nazi war crimes stemming from the­ family's past during the Holocaust and concurrent­ Second World War.

The result of five years of research­ into the Quandt family's wartime activities, The­ Silence of the Quandt Family asserts that Afa, the­ family's battery company that supplied specialized­ power cells and munitions to the Third Reich, employed­ slave labor provided by the Nazis. Documents unearthed­ as part of the research show that the company­ appallingly estimated that approximately 80 of its­ forced laborers would die each month at its factories.­ The film included testimonies from survivors who­ attested to the subhuman working and living conditions,­ as well as from former Nuremberg war-crimes prosecutors­ who asserted that, based on the evidence previously­ hidden by the Quandts and now revealed, the family­ would have been convicted of war crimes.

Francis S you know me, I support you learning proper­ gramma and all that, and I even have given you several­ thumbs up when I like what you say, but I will give you­ a thumbs down because there is no need to be­ deliberately provocative at this time. Now behave

EGK Good posts.When I did A'Level History our class­ was told to read 5 books on a subject eg Lenin,Bismarck­ as history is still one authors interpretation.The­ problem is that history can be distorted as the Soviets­ did to give the impression of strength,or to protect­ certain politicians/generals reputations(quite a few­ documents on the First World War were lost during the­ Blitz,and were pieced together from overseas).The­ problem still remains that victorious nations dont tend­ to want to learn from history,whereas defeated nations­ have little to no choice such as Japan and­ Germany.Bernie is proving that using certain notorious­ people to back up a claim can backfire badly.

my my my 1 thumbs down already . i guess you dont like­ admitting about yer own history .

Also, I don't know that much about history so­ it's been interesting reading all the threads. I­ didn't really pay much attention to it, it's­ not been my field and never will be to be honest. So­ please understand, as with every subject, not all the­ truths are in books, and not the whole story can be­ found in one, or many either.

Yes you are right, Japanese schools only returned to­ teaching school children the full extent of History­ within the last 10 years. But the information was­ available to university and research students. So not­ all was lost. But in the UK it was a blanket ban on any­ properganda insighting totalitarian ideals to work. So­ all books relating to that subject matter became­ increasingly hard to find, or read, and maybe nowadays­ are left to thought or assumed to be folk law!

EGK it is interesting what you say about Japan after­ the war. But weren't the details of Japanese­ cruelty suppressed after the war, so that Japanese­ school children growing up after the war had no idea­ what went on.

I remember a poll carried out in the­ 1970s (if my memory serves) where quite a large group­ of Japanese children were asked: "If Japan went to­ war in the future then who would be the enemy?". ­ Now plenty of candidates in that part of the world -­ China (much more insular at the time) and N. Korea­ spring to mind. But no by a very large majority the­ children said the USA. On investigation it was­ ascertained that they believed this because the­ Americans had dropped the atomic bomb on Japan for no­ reason at all - just totally out of the blue.

I think­ in one of the Anthony Beevor books he recounts the tale­ where an American officer is asked by a German Civilian­ (after the surrender) why did the Americans declare war­ on Germany!!!!

These stories illustrate the power of­ propaganda.