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What Liverpool need is the yanks out, arabs in with­ some cash to spend and a manager with motivation power­ and passion like Martin o'neil.

Mourinho only won the title with a truck load of money­ behind him, i don't believe he could do any better­ than Rafa with monetary constraints we have at­ liverpool , In Rafa we trust. YNWA.

What do U call a gay couple? Man United

What do U call a gay couple? Man United

What do U call a gay couple? Man United

What do U call a gay couple? Man United

I know I should not say this as a Liverpool fan, but­ the title this season is between Arsenal and Chelsea­ and it would be nice if Arsenal could win it to prove­ that you can win a title with the brand of football­ they are playing. As for Liverpool, well I am afraid,­ we are unlikely to win anything this season even if­ Gerrard and Torres are both fit. The point is that­ Liverpool do not have anough quality players to warrant­ winning anything. Take Gerrard and Torres out of­ Liverpool and I can't see any difference between­ them and Hull, Stoke, Portsmouth etc. Until Liverpool­ add more quality and stop relying heavily on just two­ two players in Gerrard and Torres for glory, they will­ win absolutely nothing. I said this before the season­ started and I am repeating it yet once again that­ Liverpool need one more proven striker to partner­ with/deputize for Torres and they also need couple of­ world class defenders not average defenders they have­ got at the moment. The problem is that because­ Liverpool got lucky with many of their matches last­ season winning through share luck and not ability and­ they came second behind MU gave everyone a false sense­ of hope.

For what its worth I think you can't blame Benitez­ for all the problems at Liverpool. Whilst his player­ dealings are just bizarre - Bellamy, Keane, Crouch etc­ etc the problem is you don't produce any young­ players, or develop players (can't think of the­ last player who actually became a better player for­ being at Liverpool - @#$% coaching?).

The obsession­ with other people's spending power is a waste of­ time. Just look at teams like Valencia, West Ham &­ dare I say it UTD for inspiration.

Fergie put his­ faith in developing youth and still does. Where is­ Liverpools Danny Wellbeck?

Fergie sticks with players­ who show strength of character - Fletcher, RVN &­ Hargreaves -Liverpool let Keane go!.

Irrespective of­ how you do this season, you should face it Liverpool­ has lost its way.

Andy Jones- i'm not sure you lost concentration for­ just a minute?
I agree with what you're saying re­ the mid season window, the point i'm trying to get­ across is we need better depth of quality in the club­ and not be so dependent on Torres and Gerrard. I know­ he hasn't had the money promised but how can you­ justify signings like voronin, babel, ngog who­ everytime they grace the pitch, they are useless. One­ goal every god knows how many months from babel does­ not make any difference!
Some fans love Rafa for the­ Champions league victory others just want to see­ Liverpool shut the manxs up and lift the title. Me­ i'm for the title, its long overdue.
As for your­ comments on Champions league, the only reason we won­ was because captain amazing took control of the game in­ the second half and the rest of the team followed from­ there. Rafa gee'd them up i'm sure but he sent­ that team out in the first half with a plan and ended­ the half 3-0 down!
I look forward whole heartedly to­ seeing a manager at Liverpool like Mourinho that has an­ idea how to win the Premiership and beyond.
If you had­ ever played football which i doubt you would know its­ the players that win you a game not the manager. Sure­ he can advise tactics etc but if the players he has on­ the pitch are @#$%, you've already lost the game.

replace rafa with mourinho n we'll be the league­ champions in no time....

Andy Jones :- it's good to hear some sense on here­ for a change keep up the good work. YNWA..

And comment 13 should say I'd play Babel before the­ hopeless Voronin.

This site is cr4p, that comment was­ supposed to have 150 characters left so why did it cut­ the end off it?

Oh and comment 12 should say "Sell the rubbish in­ January?" not "in the summer". I was so­ stunned by your comment that I lost concentration for a­ minute ;-)

GI Joe - Your comments are probably the most amusing of­ the lot.

If you honestly think Carragher is "way­ past his prime" at 31 you've lost the plot. ­ He's had a dip in form for sure, which has oddly­ enough come at the same time as him having to play in a­ defence alongside Kyrgiakos (who isn't that good­ but see comment 11 for the reasons we had to make do­ with him) and Insua (who will be a good player for us­ in the long term but is currently not playing well,­ after a good spell when he was first brought into the­ squad last season). Carra is trying to do his own job­ and is also being pulled all over the pitch trying to­ cover for those two (and Skrtel who has also been­ playing badly this season). Stop your Championship­ Manager nonsense, you can;t just look at a player in­ isolation and decide he's past it, you have to take­ account of the wider context against which his­ performances are set.

The fact that you think Babel­ "can just­ about play brilliantly for 15 to 20­ minutes at a time­" (15-20 seconds more like,­ he's hopeless and one goal against Lyon doesn't­ change that - have you not watched him play for the­ last two seasons or something?) but think that­ "N'gog" (it's Ngog, no apostrophe, at­ least spell our player's names right eh?) is­ "Div 2 material" speaks volumes about your­ football knowledge.

Ngog is 20, he cost £1.5m (as­ opposed to £11m for Babel)and if you can't see the­ way his game has improved from last season to this,­ there's no hope for you. He's already good­ enough for us to be certain of not making a loss if we­ sold him and the composure he showed when finishing the­ 1-on-1 against United, an opportunity that Babel would­ have likely put into the Stretford End, suggests that­ he's temperamentally ten times the player that­ Babel is already. If he keeps improving at his current­ rate, he could be a useful player for us and I'd­ play him before the hopeless

timsretreat - Sell the rubbish in the summer? You­ think Rafa will be allowed to keep the money raised­ from sales and spend it? Read what I typed below. ­ Still think it's a good idea, especially when­ it's more difficult to sign quality players in te­ mid-season window? Want to go into the second half of­ the season with esentially the same squad as we have­ now but with three players missing, giving us even less­ cover when injuries hit.

As for Benitez being­ over-rated, you're off your head. We might be­ Liverpool FC but some of our fans need to wake up and­ smell the coffee - our sense of entitlement is­ ridiculous.

We have been going backwards relative to­ the other top clubs since 1991, a process exacerbated­ by the creation of the Premier league. United have­ more money than us because they had a ground capacity­ that was 10,000 more than anfield in 1994 and­ they've been expanding it ever since, they make­ roughly double what we do on every home gate, also they­ have ruthlessly exploited their club brand worldwide­ which is exactly the kind of thing that LFC fans­ criticise them for because it's seen as cheapening­ the club. We can't have it both ways, no-one is­ going to come along and give us a cheque for £100m­ because we're a nice traditional club.

Bentiez­ took charge after 15 years of failure interspered with­ the occasional success. Other than Houlier's cup­ treble in 2001, we'd won the odd league cup or FA­ cup in the previous 10 years and we won next to nothing­ after until Rafa came in. Since then we've got to­ two CL finals, won one, won the FA Cup and finished­ last season with our best points total since 1992 and­ were only fouir points away from winning it. If you­ think the manager that's achieved that is­ over-rated, you're a moron - considering the money­ available to Chelesea and united, it's a miracle­ that he's done what he has.

Comments 8, 9 and 10 - have you all been let out on day­ release from the same facility or­ something?

johnsack27 - What's Rafa supposed to­ say, that he knows full well the squad isn't strong­ enough but he hasn't been given the money he was­ promised to improve it? Again? I'm not even going­ to give the full breakdown of what happened with the­ transfer budget he was promised this season because­ I'm not sure you'd have the brains to do the­ maths and work out how much went missing, so I'll­ keep it simple. Rafa was promised £20m from the club­ out of the TV moneyt, some other money (the bit I'm­ not bothering to explain) AND WHATEVER HE MADE FROM­ SALES.

We sold a few players but to keep it simple,­ Alonso = £30m + £20m from TV = £50m. We spent £20m on­ Aquilani, £17m on Johnson and then Rafa had to beg the­ owners for £2m to sign Kyrgiakos, who we only bought­ because we needed another CB and he was all we could­ afford. Those three cost £39m, that's £11m less­ than the money promised from the club and Alonso's­ fee, without even including the rest of what we made­ from sales.

It was made clear to Benitez that a­ condition of signing his new contract was that the­ briefings to the press about the owners and the­ financial situation at the club were to stop,­ that's why he's toeing the party line, also­ what effect on squad morale would it have had if­ he's said we weren't good enough before the­ season even started? You think we'd have played­ better than we have? I'm surprised you've got­ the brains to switch a PC on, let alone type a comment.

The­ biggest problem is not when Gerrard and Torres­ get­ injured, its because there are too many ordinary­­ players and not enough quality in the squad.
Sell the­­ rubbish in January and concentrate on bringing in Top­­ quality players, you only have to look at Chelski and­­ Man Ure, as much as i hate to say it both squads are­­ full of quality players.
Until the powers at the top­­ see that Rafa is so over-rated and hasn't the­­ ability to take this club to the top then i'm­­ afraid Liverpool FC and all its devoted followers will­­ have to put up with always being oh so rans.