Talking Point: Best of the rest

Eurosport - Tue, 11 Nov 09:14:00 2008

Who was the best driver never to win the F1 title? Every week during the off-season, we are opening up a discussion point for Formula One fans in conjunction with our online poll. So let us know what you think.

2008 Toro Rosso Berger - 0

Here is our eight-man shortlist:

Chris Amon: The last driver from New Zealand to make an impact in Formula One, Amon was the son of a wealthy sheep farmer who arrived on the scene in the 1960s and earned widespread adulation for his fearless approach on the track. He won both the 24-hour races at Le Mans and Daytona, but despite competing in 108 grands prix, he never managed a victory in Formula One.

Rubens Barrichello: Barichello was prolifically successful as a Kart driver, winning the Brazilian title five times before moving on to become champion of Formula Opul, then Formula 3. But since arriving in Formula One the Honda driver has been a nearly man. Barrichello finished fourth in the 2000 World Championship, third in 2001 and came runner-up in both 2002 and 2004.

Gerhard Berger (pictured): The lanky Austrian won his first grand prix with BMW in 1986 and would add eight more driving for Ferrari and McLaren, before a remarkable victory with Benetton in Germany marked his final victory in 1997 - the year he retired. Despite finishing in the top 10 every season from 1986 to 1997, the world title eluded him.

Jacky Ickx: The Belgian arrived on the Formula One scene in 1967 and would finish inside the top 10 of the world championship seven times before competing for the last time at the US Grand Prix in 1979. Ickx won eight times during that time, but will perhaps always be remembered for his six triumphs at the Le Mans 24-Hour race - the last of which came in 1982.

Stirling Moss: The legendary Englishman is regarded by many as the best all-round driver in the history of racing. He won a remarkable 194 races in his career, but despite picking up 16 grand prix victories could never manage a Formula One world championship. Moss finished runner-up four times in succession between 1955 and 1958, but the ultimate prize slipped his grasp.

Ronnie Peterson: Sweden's greatest driver, Peterson made his Formula One debut at the 1970 Monaco Grand Prix and would go on to race 123 times and achieve 10 victories. The 'Superswede' finished runner-up twice in the championship, in 1971 and 1978 - the season that ended with his tragic death at Monza in the Italian Grand Prix.

Carlos Reutemann: The Argentine raced in Formula One between 1972 and 1982, winning 12 times and earning a reputation for his cavalier approach. Reutemann finished in the top 10 of the world championship eight times during his career, coming closest to the title in his penultimate season, when he finished runner-up to Nelson Piquet.

Gilles Villeneuve: Villeneuve made his Formula One debut at the British Grand Prix in 1977 and won for the first time in Canada the following season with Ferrari. The Canadian would triumph five more times, before being killed in a crash during qualifying for the Belgian Grand Prix in 1982. His best finish in the championship was runner-up to Jody Scheckter in 1979.

So vote now in our online poll and let us know your thoughts on the discussion board below.

Eurosport

Comment 96 - 115 of 115

Sort comments by: Most recent

  1. Yes I heard also that there are many Indians (mama poondats) by the millions at the Little India in Singapurdi nearer to the Mustafa Centre!!! Have you been to Mustafa??? There, many Indians make Indian food & delicacies with added ingredients & residues from toilets visitations like Indian faeces on Indian hands & finger nails. Here, it's the normal process where these toileted hands discharges the Indian waste products in the roti pratas, roti chenais, tosais, briyani rice as well as curry with rats meat & fly larvaes to the perfect enjoyment of the unsuspecting customers!!! So folks, in future, eat Indian made food & delicacies at your own peril & risks!!! Satisfaction guaranteed but make sure you buy insurance!!! It's the truth!!! No racist remarks!!!

    From countdracula666@..., on Thu 13 Nov 12:35PM

  2. hello my little f1 bum chums it marnio here from peru.
    mr hamiltons son say he stay with mclaren men for life. that nice for him but what do mclaren men say? you see mclaren is now german owned. the parent company is the mercedes benz which is the german. the engine is the german engine. everything about the team is the german. mr hamiltons son now the swiss gentleman he eat much cheese and sings in the morning at mountains. mr hamiltons father is also now the swiss man. in fact there nothing british about this team at all. even the man who tidy up the garage after the race has moved to switzerland with his mother. switzerland is owned by the german. my friends the whole team is GERMAN - and guess what - so is mr glock. now you see why the time stand still for mr glock on the last lap. like he in the time warp. not even the people abducted by the alien lose the amount of time he lost on that last lap. IT IS THE DISGRACE

    From , on Wed 12 Nov 11:15PM

  3. I don´T suppose that Nikki LAUDA will mind being mistaken for Micheal Schumacher, but I do think that Schumacher would object, in fact it would put years on him!

    From Easyrider2609, on Wed 12 Nov 1:09PM

  4. I'm a huge Lewis fan because of the way he has brightened F1 up - but the sport should always come first.

    From m.e.jenner@..., on Wed 12 Nov 10:15AM

  5. Sky - the history of F1 is full of tragedy and 'old man Moss' saw a lot of it in his day and can speak about the sport with experience and integrity. I used to watch the races absolutely terrified that a fatal accident would occur. Thank God for all the 'old timers' for their input and insistence that safety regs. are built in to protect these young men today. Respect !!

    From m.e.jenner@..., on Wed 12 Nov 10:13AM

  6. lewis.great, why not take a ride with "old man Moss" around Goodwood. My bet is you'll wet your nickers. When Sir Stirling Moss raced if you went off track you stood a good chance of dying. He wore a cotton shirt and no seat belt. Today's current drivers, as good as they are, can have spectacular crashes and walk away from the accident. Watch Moss race through the mountains of Italy with no guard rails and steep drop-offs and then tell me how good today's drivers are.

    From sky, on Wed 12 Nov 7:05AM

  7. How can you people name losers such as old man Moss, crazy fella Villeneuve, Eternal no.2 Barrichello and no win Amon over Lewis Hamilton? He is the best and greatest Formula One champion and driver and won more titles than all of these people combined. Lewis will be champion even at the age of forty. Live with that and forget these has-beens who never were

    From lewis.great, on Wed 12 Nov 4:09AM

  8. I vote for gerhard berger

    From podilah, on Wed 12 Nov 2:43AM

  9. I vote for gerhard berger

    From podilah, on Wed 12 Nov 2:41AM

  10. Pam Wallis: maybe you mean Lauda, not Schumacher?

    From Rod, on Wed 12 Nov 2:14AM

  11. Naughty boy Team O.

    From Donald D, on Tue 11 Nov 9:40PM

  12. Naughty boy Team O.

    From Donald D, on Tue 11 Nov 9:40PM

  13. OK I ADMIT I CHEATED!!! SLOWED DOWN MORE THAN I SHOULD,,,BUT IT WAS ONLY CAUSE HAMMY HAD NO OTHER MATES ON THE CIRCUIT,,FELT SORRY FOR HIM,,THOUGH 18 SECS IN 1 LAP DOES TAKE THE PISS A BIT..PLEASE FORGIVE ME..

    KIND REGARDS
    TEAM O GLOCK

    From , on Tue 11 Nov 9:04PM

  14. Sir Striling Moss Wasn't he Fangio's wing man with team orders to be number 2? I watch Moss compete against Jack Braham, Bruce McLaren and Graham Hill in the 1960 L.A. Time Gran Prix. After 48 years I can still see the green Lotus snake through turn 7 at Riverside International Raceway, Watching Moss improved my karting 200% but I still wasn't very good.

    From sky, on Tue 11 Nov 8:58PM

  15. 0

    From salsa747, on Tue 11 Nov 8:15PM

  16. Moss by a country mile, deserved a title, 16 wins but impossible in the Fangio era.
    Amon would get my vote as the beat driver never to win a championship race.
    Barrichello, huh?

    From Julian, on Tue 11 Nov 8:12PM

  17. A YOUNG MAN ON HIS DEATHBED CALLED HIS WIFE TO CONFESS HIS SECRET
    telling her he had been unfaithfull to her with both her sister and best friend ,,!

    YES she told him ., I know ,. why do you think I've poisoned you ., ?

    From salsa747, on Tue 11 Nov 8:10PM

  18. THE MOST HANSOME F1 DRIVER TODAY IS T GLOCK
    PLEASE MAY WE INSPECT HIS ACCESSORRIES

    From salsa747, on Tue 11 Nov 8:07PM

  19. OK I ADMIT I CHEATED!!! SLOWED DOWN MORE THAN I SHOULD,,,BUT IT WAS ONLY CAUSE HAMMY HAD NO OTHER MATES ON THE CIRCUIT,,FELT SORRY FOR HIM,,THOUGH 18 SECS IN 1 LAP DOES TAKE THE PISS A BIT..PLEASE FORGIVE ME..

    KIND REGARDS
    TEAM O GLOCK

    From , on Tue 11 Nov 7:55PM

  20. elsy
    simply ask Schumacher who saved his life when he was concussed is a blazing wrecked car

    surprisingly he will recall it -- so please correct the record books darling

    From salsa747, on Tue 11 Nov 7:45PM
Sort comments by: Most recent

Not already a Yahoo! user ? to get a free Yahoo! Account