Six Nations - Oval Talk: What hope for England?

Eurosport - Thu, 12 Feb 17:55:00 2009

It is not inconceivable that the snore-fest witnessed at Twickenham last weekend could prove to be the wooden spoon decider for this year's Six Nations.

Martin Johnson (L) and Brian Smith - England - 0

There cannot have been too many occasions when England have come away with a 39-11 victory and been lambasted in the fashion they have this week.

The record books will show that they crossed the whitewash five times and snapped a run of three consecutive Test defeats, but those that watched the dross served out at HQ will know that England are in a state of disarray.

As is so often the case with England, they appear to be torn between the need to develop a team for the future and the demands placed on them to win their next game.

Should manager Martin Johnson (pictured left) be looking to build a side that can challenge for the 2011 World Cup, or should the former England skipper focus entirely on winning in Cardiff on Saturday? What is more important: performance or result?

The noises emanating from Twickenham ahead of the autumn internationals certainly gave credence to the former strategy. England had used too many players under Johnson's predecessor Brian Ashton, there had been no continuity in selection or the way they wanted to play, the players appeared to be getting mixed messages from the coaching team.

Well, five games into Johnson's reign - seven if you include the hidings England received in the two summer Tests in New Zealand - and there is little evidence of a change in approach, either on the field or off it.

In Johnson's defence, injuries have made it difficult for him to field his first-choice XV - and perhaps best XV - but there have been question marks over some of his selections.

Why, for example, was Nick Kennedy, England's stand-out jumper, dropped from the side after making a decent, try-scoring debut against Pacific Islands in November? Surely the London Irish lock would have benefitted hugely from playing Australia and South Africa, and, in hindsight, done as well as the chosen locks.

Did Shane Geraghty - who had already shown his Test potential with a match-winning cameo against France on his debut two years earlier - not deserve the chance to start at fly-half against Italy ahead of the already tried, tested and discarded Andy Goode?

Why not give Mathew Tait a go at outside centre instead of the limited Jamie Noon when Mike Tindall withdrew at the 11th hour with injury?

And what of Danny Cipriani? England's saviour one month and not good enough to make the match 22 the next. Surely his sublime performance in the win over Ireland last season was enough to stick by him, despite the media distractions and celebrity girlfriend.

The England coaches can talk all they like about having to get the balance of their side right, but if the team they select then goes out and performs like it did against Italy it is only right to question their choices.

England still appear hamstrung by Gavin Henson's tackle on Tait in 2005, when the then-debutant was dumped on his derriere in no uncertain fashion. Too soon, not big enough, needs more experience.

Until England learn to stick with players and give them a decent run then they will fail to identify their best team.

But what is most worrying of all is the lack of any discernable style of play. It was the same under Ashton, but at least he had the sense at the World Cup (or was it the result of player power?) to resort to England's default - a forward-orientated game.

Johnson's appointment of Brian Smith (pictured right) pointed to a more expansive approach, but sadly there has been little evidence of the attacking style he used to such great effect at London Irish.

Has Smith's voice been drowned out by the likes of John Wells and Graham Rowntree, the forwards coaches inherited by Johnson and part of the so-called 'Leicester mafia' now in charge?

Twickenham might argue that Smith needs longer than five games to stamp his imprint on the side, but Warren Gatland and his coaching team managed to change Wales' fortunes and win them a Grand Slam in exactly the same amount of time.

Perhaps, as Lawrence Dallaglio has pointed out recently, England just do not possess world beaters in this current crop of internationals. Maybe that is something fans of the Red Rose need to accept and adjust their expectations lower - much lower.

It certainly does not help when their captain, the likeable but limited Steve Borthwick, holds such little fear for the opposition. If the management is unable to identify that their skipper does not deserve a place in the side, then there is little hope that they will get the rest of their selections right.

And so to Cardiff this weekend. If the game goes to form England will do well to keep the margin of defeat below 20 points. Wales are purring like a well-oiled marque and, now they have their lineout in order, appear to have few weaknesses.

But it was not so long ago that England were being written off at the World Cup and through a combination of pig-headedness and heroic defence somehow made the final.

As underdogs, England have a habit of making critics eat their words and maybe there is just enough bite in this current side to cause Wales problems. It's a big maybe.

Terence O'Rorke / Eurosport

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  1. Morning all ???

    From Stuart D, on Thu 12 Feb 9:37AM
  2. i dont think its going to be a walk over like some on­ here seems to think .
    like some poster on here i think­ england will play well cos they are the underdogs.
    i­ still think wales will win but only by 5 to 7 points­ .hope its a good game for all rugby fans

    From alan, on Wed 11 Feb 11:57PM
  3. Rugby football union is a game where people Knock lumps­ out of eachother. After the game we have some­ beer,share food and enjoy eachothers company­ irespective of nationality. When we retire we go to­ watch the game and often find ourselves sitting next to­ opposition spectators.We are friendly people,the­ complete opposite to what is happening on these message­ boards.Please grow up or find another sport to argue­ about.

    From pajulu, on Wed 11 Feb 11:49PM
  4. OOOOPS i forgot, he's told me once already tonight,­ im a woman i know nothing about sport. LOL

    From sadie s, on Wed 11 Feb 11:09PM
  5. well said Sadie...Poland????? hahahahahah at least­ Spain are a good side

    From laboca123, on Wed 11 Feb 11:08PM
  6. LOL he's welsh of course..... cant you tell­ he's another gobby @#$%..... umm the england game­ was a friendly. we lost out to a decent team. WTF you­ lost to POLAND?????

    From sadie s, on Wed 11 Feb 11:03PM
  7. Nobody can be more opinionated than the­ English...theyre @#$% at football aswell Spain are­ beating Capellos men and Beckham at the mo....

    From e=mc squared, on Wed 11 Feb 10:35PM
  8. LOL@him staying another few mins to type more bullshi@t

    From emma d, on Wed 11 Feb 9:18PM
  9. Damn i was wrong? omg whatever am i going to do? Gez­ you are a bully. and i cant wait till saturday night­ when you wont show your face through pure shame

    From emma d, on Wed 11 Feb 9:15PM
  10. Ha! Ha! Well, we'll see how pointless it is come­ Saturday, when the REAL talking gets done on the pitch.­ Bye for now, saddos...

    From Gez, on Wed 11 Feb 9:13PM
  11. Whats up Emma? Can't handle being wrong? But to­ answer your question: yep, it's fun having a go at­ the clueless "supporters" on here, regardless­ of their sex. Couldn't give a monkey's if­ it's animal, mineral or vegetable, frankly, but if­ it spouts arrogant English bulls*it, then it's fair­ game.

    Off to watch some porn now...

    Love, Gez xx

    From Gez, on Wed 11 Feb 9:10PM
  12. Jack. it does nothing. its small insignificant and­ totally pointless. the only good thing it did do was­ mine. and we subsidise them cause they cant even get­ that right

    From emma d, on Wed 11 Feb 9:05PM
  13. It stuffs the English, Jack, that's what it does...

    From Gez, on Wed 11 Feb 9:05PM
  14. wales is a small town in england,that the english pay­ for,but we are not sure what it does.

    From jack, on Wed 11 Feb 9:02PM
  15. why bring her name up if she's not even here? you­ really are a strange bunch of people. Gez im curious­ does it make you feel good having a go at a woman? is­ that manly? still i guess what more can you expect from­ someone who sits online ALL DAY typing complete trash.­ do you fit this in between porn? im just curious

    From emma d, on Wed 11 Feb 9:01PM
  16. Johnsons men are in for a a ripe shagging....
    Englande­ rugby is now dead,.

    The glory years are back for­ Wales/.

    From e=mc squared, on Wed 11 Feb 8:54PM
  17. Take it you can't read your own language Emma: my­ last reply was to you...

    From Gez, on Wed 11 Feb 8:53PM
  18. I really do admire the way the welsh and french play­ the game, but unfortunately it doesnt win world cups.­ To be honest most English fans would like to see us­ playing open fast rugby as long as it brings success.

    From laboca123, on Wed 11 Feb 8:50PM
  19. Gez you do know she's gone right? she said she was­ leaving and i told you she'd left. are you able to­ understand that or going back to one of your previous­ post. "do you need me to draw you a­ diagram"????? its simple. she's not going to­ reply. she's not here. whats wrong you missing her­ or something?

    From emma d, on Wed 11 Feb 8:47PM
  20. Laboca: sick and tired or not, your banging on about­ past glories is precisely what you do....when­ you're not busy whingeing.

    So...sticking to the­ present: who are the current 6-Nations champions and­ Grand Slam title holders? Clue: it aint England. And­ who's better than England right now in the­ championship? Everyone, except Italy.

    From Gez, on Wed 11 Feb 8:46PM
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