If Piquet crashed the car on team orders, it makes­ sense to give him immunity and go after those who gave­ the orders. If you want to stay on the team, you best­ follow team orders. I'm not defending Piquet's­ decision to follow those orders if given. Nobody knows­ what evidence the FIA may be looking at. There may be­ more than just Piquet's words. If a team is­ intentionally crashing cars to bring out the safety­ car, I don't want them or any other team to be able­ to do it.

I guess I don't know how stupid people really are. ­ No team managers on the planet would order another­ driver to intentionally crash. Piquet should be banned­ from F-1 for life. And his father is nothing but a­ piece of garbadge if he put his son up to these­ riduculous claims. Helping a team mate is one thing,­ but intentional crash is not. You have 20 of the best­ drivers in the best cars in the world. Piquet must­ live on fantasy island. Either way he is a loser. If­ he was ordered to crash and took the order, he's an­ idiot and lost all credability, if he is making this­ up, likewise he has no credibilty.

brialonso*sh*l

Well Justin, if you don't like you don't have­ to read it.

THIS FORUM SHOULD BE SCRAPPED - IT IA ALL TOO MUCH LIKE­ A BUNCH OF KIDS BICKERING IN THE SCHOOL GROUND.­

YAHOO, DO THE RIGHT THING AND PULL IT - IT IS A TOTAL­ WASTE OF TIME !

JDC

I think this is a real shame to motor sport by having­ these allegations. If it is true, ( as it no doubt is ­ because how much money is involved ) they shoul be­ banned. F1 isnt the same anymore, this season hsnt been­ very good i just hope next season will be better.

Looking at the crash footage it does seem an odd place­ to crash....... And who would trust a man who wears­ blue tinted glasses?!?!?!?! HAHA.

so now we got a twist over here.. but in the end­ nothing will happen.. what a drama..!

Trouble is with you lot, the old days its outside for a­ punch up. You can whinge on for eternity on the­ internet and never resolve anything. Being a tough guy­ on a keypad is a wimp. Grow up all of you.

More to the point, do Renault want to remain in F1­ after Renault posted the greatest loss on their­ accounts in the history of the company. Perhaps this­ saga will give them a reason to quit.

This thing has got so stupid and paltry now that I am­ switching it of for a while I watch Monza.

Wrong again mungo, if you look at my ID it is B.Netzer­ not just netzer. Now I know that isn't a big deal­ but my surname is Netzer I am in fact German and my­ forename begins with B. Easy stuff to understand.

Now­ I used to post with the ID of Netzer because that is­ what I get called, this goes back to my school days and­ the fashion has continued. But the other netzer­ started posting the religious stuff and not­ surprisingly everyone thought that was me. So I­ changed to B.Netzer.

So I have not got the Lord­ Almighty on my side unfortunately.

From a neutral perspective having read every single­ post I can see that mungo, Touronroute and jean j just­ seem to be on this forum to abuse people why don't­ you actually talk about the topic rather then picking a­ fight with others. Argue your point properly rather­ than abusing people who disagree with you. That said­ its a forum spelling isn't a major thing if you­ don't understand whats someones put just tell them­ you don't. Anyway back to f1 I recon this is so­ clearly true and the only hing Pique did wrong was to­ go along with it they should all be prosecuted

Actually Jean Yes. The biggest, most self opinionated,­ "Im always right " bigot on here is­ Touronroute.

Jean, you ask if anyone knows anything about F1, and­ then don't actually say anything about F1. All you­ have done is insult me and be offensive, and you expect­ me not to respond? What is it with you people? ­ Typical school yard bullies the lot of you, all in a­ fluster and redirecting because you didn't get the­ 'victim' response you were after.

If you want­ to discuss F1, then say something about F1 and start a­ debate on F1. I will happily debate the sport ad­ infinitum.

But, if you want to just insult people and­ be rude and offensive, then do not claim to be the­ victim when the target of your vile nature decides to­ turn around and say something back.

So what is it­ going to be? Another post trying to profess you are­ the innocent party and I'm the big nasty out to­ ruin your enjoyment on this site? Another insulting­ and abusive message showing everyone what a horrible­ person you are? Or an F1 related comment about the­ above story?

I'll leave the choice up to you -­ your response will be a great insight for all to see.

mungo, where on this thread have I been abusive? And­ yet you started by being insulting towards me. So­ please don't claim the innocent. If you'd­ commented on the story, and I had disagreed with you, I­ would have said so, but remained respectful. But you­ chose not to, instead you chose the course that has led­ us to this point - where you start an argument and then­ cry foul.

And Touronroute, the Brazilian thing is a­ spelling mistake and a typo. However, the failure to­ leave a space after a comma is a gramatical error, and­ it is one that is common to just about ALL of your­ posts. It is also one that I don't make. An­ occasional typo such as a missing letter due to the­ damaged keyboard on my laptop, or two letters swapping­ places due to typing quickly are very different to my­ spacebar not working at all.

Really, if you two are­ going to continue down this path, then may I ask you­ both to really think about your comments before you­ make them. It barely classifies as a challenge arguing­ anything with either of you. It barely classifies as a­ challenge having to deal with you both at the same­ time.

One of the reasons I invited Cont de M to engage­ me with reasoned thought out debate when he disagrees­ with me is because any kind of discussion that requires­ me to think is always welcome. I could deal with 50 of­ the pair of you and it would still leave me enough time­ and energy to study Theology or Quantum Mechanics.

I understand the importance of different fuel loads­ very well, I just think reading about them in PRACTICE­ is boring. Qualifying is where the action is. And I­ have no interest in reporting anyone unles it is for­ racism. I really couldn't give a rat's arse­ what names you or Frances call me, that reflects on you­ both, not me.