napierrailton, no you should stick to the topic, you­ went on about cosworth winning more races than ferrari?­ read 133 to refresh your memory by the way their name­ isn't even mention on this article as a­ constructor.

maybe i should add 2008 since it was only was updated­ in 2007, massa won 6 races and kimi if i remember­ correctly won 2 races, 208 race wins for ferrari they­ also won the world constructor title so that would now­ make it 16 now :) 2009 i am sure they'll win some­ more races...where is Cosworth by the way?

adownunder please stick to the topic, lol

also count­ the flags in the recorded history of F1. you might­ learn something.

Formula One
Main article: Scuderia Ferrari
The­ Scuderia joined the Formula One World Championship in­ the first year of its existence, 1950. José Froilán­ González gave the team its first victory at the 1951­ British Grand Prix.

Alberto Ascari gave Ferrari its­ first Drivers Championship a year later. Ferrari is the­ oldest team left in the championship, not to mention­ the most successful: the team holds nearly every­ Formula One record. As of 2007, the team's records­ include 15 World Drivers Championship titles (1952,­ 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1964, 1975, 1977, 1979, 2000,­ 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2007) 15 World Constructors­ Championship titles (1961, 1964, 1975, 1976, 1977,­ 1979, 1982, 1983, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004­ and 2007), 201 Grand Prix victories, 4753.27 points,­ 603 podium finishes, 195 pole positions, 12,489 laps­ led, and 205 fastest laps in 758 Grands Prix contested.

cosworth has won 167 races with sometimes supplying 3­ cars in one year, compared to ferrari's 201 race­ wins? what are you talking about? sorry but cosworth is­ not a great engine anymore, so go buy yourself a­ cosworth car if they are so great, and if you are going­ to have a go at me get your facts correct don't­ make up stories. Cosworth was even owned by Volkswagen­ Group before selling it to ford, oh no it's no­ longer british too bad, don't lose sleep mate,­ ferrari is still there,

adownunder, oh so it is about the nationality now? I­ then must refer you to the F1 record books. Read it and­ weep!

napierrailton, cosworth started off it's ties with­ ford and now Ford owns it sorry it's american now,­ at least ferrari is 100% Italian, actually just go to­ cosworth history and it actually tells you who owns it­ now :)

Infact adownunder thank you my friend that has to be­ the most embarrassing error I have ever encountered on­ here, you talk a good game but with such a fundamental­ error in knowledge like that, well?

Cosworth is­ totally british founded in 1958 and is still going­ strong today as max just announced they are to once­ again supply engines to f1, they are still hq in­ northampton.

napierrailton, ohhh maybe if you didn't spin­ nonsense i wouldn't have to say much but a lot on­ here just make up their facts like you and pretend to­ know a lot, but actually look silly to the real fans,­ ignored

adownunder are you serious, now that really is­ embarrassing, cosworth is a british company started in­ london, hand built engines. Started by Keith Duckworth­ and Mike Costin, the DFV V8 is the most succesfull­ engine in motorsport. You better check your facts son,­ ill accept apoligies later, like lola, cosworth­ supplied the world.

Also if your looking for­ continuity did you know that originally enzo ferrari­ simply rebadged alfa engines?

napierrailton, Cosworth is an american engine from GM­ 'General motors' what facts are you reading­ from the make believe?

well there is no need to become a control freak­ adownunder, we have all voted elsewhere for the actual­ team in the poll, but the article just gets you­ thinking about other things as well, especially when­ you read other peoples logic and you think hang on­ there is a lot more to f1 than ferrari.

MikeQ, didn't FIA penalize Schumacher at the monaco­ grand prix and put him in last place? didn't they­ also penalize him in Hungarian race that same year for­ over taking Alonso who purposely stop infront of him­ during practice which also got him a 2 second time­ penalty in qualifying? Didn't they also tell­ ferrari to change their front wings because other teams­ complained after the melbourne grand prix? short memory­ or maybe you weren't watching f1 back then which­ was only 3 years ago. FIA favouring ferrari..please­ they have had more penalties against them than most­ teams have had

mclaren open to offering honda a mercedes engine? i­ truly hope so. sorry back to the topic.

Well I just look at the flags in the record books and­ believe me adownunder it is embarrassing, driver­ champions, constructor titles, winning engines Cosworth­ again, winning chassis, dont forget its the flags and­ the tunes we see when they step up to the podium my­ friend.

Check the record books + i actually believe­ you are a stronger team if you can win with lots of dif­ engines, p.s dont forget cosworth is the most­ succesful.

MikeQ, that is your point of view but you seem to not­ be reading the article, it doesn't say who you like­ it just says which is the greatest, your views and­ others seem like a sore loser response because everyone­ seems to go away from the actually question, if you­ want to start a different conversation then go create a­ chat room and have a whing there. People just seem to­ create their own answers and questions that don't­ even exsit on this article.

adownunder, why are you so dismissive of other­ people's point of view? Ferrari were a great team­ and do as the article says hold most of the records, I­ used to support Ferrari when they had the likes of ,­ Gerhard Berger, Jean Alesi & Nigel Mansell driving­ for them. I started going off them when they blatantly­ used the huge financial backing of Fiat to buy the­ Benneton teams main personnel. I did not like what the­ became under Schumachers influence. And NOW, Enzo must­ be turning in his grave, Bribes from Bernie to keep­ control in his hands and The FIA giving them points and­ penalising their opponents to try and help them­ win.
They were a great team, but I do not like what­ they have become.

napierrailton why would you say embarrassing? Williams­ doesn't make their own engines nor does Lotus or­ Mclaren. Tyrell never did. Mercedes is a German car and­ it supplies its engines to mclaren so if you say­ nations then Germany has to be included because if they­ pull out then Mclaren has nothing and would need to­ find someone to supply them engines..maybe ferrari­ might help them out there? :)

MikeQ, read the question it says greatest constructor­ not which has been around the longest or which had the­ best design, it simply asks which is the greatest, end­ of story. yes or no question not an array of if's­ and buts who did this or did that, just who is the­ greatest. Anyway the poll as ferrari leading by a lot­ so everyone on here can say what they want but ferrari­ from time of writing has 1375 votes out of 2375 that­ Eurosport has put up :)

I would laugh if next they did the most succesful­ nations in F1. That would be extremely embarrassing for­ fans of Italian motorsport.