It seems that the taint of drugs seems to follow Johan­ Bruyneel everywhere, Discovery and Astana

I hate to see when rider took a drugs to win, i'm­ for that, rider who was caught get life time penalty,­ to never get on bike again. If you think that­ you're a smartest then all other riders who wants­ to win fair, and use's a drugs to win, then you­ deserve to be ban for all times. I would love to take­ Riis title TDF, because he use EPO, for me that case­ never be old timer.

One day everybody who use's a­ drugs would be caught, and he will lose every title

Yes they all been a Discovery riders, but except­ Herras, they all caught in others teams. Kloden 2006­ was rider of Tmobile or Astana (cant remember), he isnt­ Bruyneel rider, because in that time Bruyneel was sport­ director of Discovery channel.
In june Contador is­ going to win TDF, you like it or not, this is going to­ hapend, not because he use's a drugs, because is­ the best rider on the world. If he use's a drugs he­ would won Paris Nice 2009

Tyler Hamilton was also busted for drug taking, Landis­ busted too.

Taking it further there seems to be a fair­ amount of former Discovery riders that have been busted­ for drug use

Hamilton
Landis
Heras
Boonen­
Basso
Beltran

Amoung others

ffogil - who are you calling an idiot you ignoranus. If­ you had any insight on cycling you would have called me­ on the fact that I didn't mention Hamilton. Load up­ your helmet and drool cup and take a walk to the park­ you moron.

"Doping is a European sport" ? You idiot.
Who­ is the only TDF winner to have his title taken away­ because he was a drugs cheat?
Stick to wrestling u­ muppet.

tmartine - Show us some proof Mr has it all figured­ out. Except for the Landis testosterone frame job tell­ me another American who in cycling that has been caught­ for doping. This is because doping is a European sport­ and I don't believe you are clean.

tmartine i think that is a good point about those­ riders not getting tested positively. i have just got­ back from the giro everytime a new doping scandal­ breaks i wonder why i bother with the sport. i reckon­ at least 20% of results in cycling since the year dot­ have been acheived by doping, anquetil admitted as much­ himself but his 5 wins stand yet riis is off the­ official winners list. i think that longer bans are­ needed what do you think about this a 3 year ban and 1­ years worth of results stripped
preceeding from a­ failed dope test. like you said a lot of riders have­ not failed tests but longer bans would surely be a­ deterrent and back up the change in culture that has­ happened in the sport.

tmartine - fair point mate.

At least Ullrich knows how­ to let his hair down eh?

widds118 - Armstrong has also tested positive for­ cortical steroid but produced a doctors note post test­ with the bogus excuse that it was used for saddle­ sores... a use that would make the problem worse long­ term since it thins the skin.. so i guess Ullrich and­ Armstrong are even.

Ullrich apparently took ecstasy at­ a party hence his positive...

Oscar Pereiro came in 2nd overall that year.

Ithink that i should have been on the podium in2006 as­ i watched and was not doped .

Yeah of course kloeden was second overall in 2006!­ Silly me! Sorry goat! But will he get stripped of that­ now?

Liam if you read Armstrong's autobiography he­ clearly states what he was treated with when he had­ cancer. It's in black and white my­ friend.

tmartine, while you are right that Ullrich­ never tested positive for epo but was deemed guilty by­ his team after investigation, he did test positive for­ amphetamines and served a ban accordingly.

horizontalboy27 - Kessler was fired because he actually­ did fail a doping control... Kloden hasn't even to­ this day. the paper trail and interviews show that he­ has. this shows that it's perfectly possible to­ cheat even today and not get caught if you are smart­ about it.

smart riders don't fail dope tests...­ Basso is just coming off of a two year ban and he never­ failed a dope test, Millar lost his 2003 world TT­ championships and never failed dope test, Ullrich never­ failed a dope test, Jörg Jaschke never failed a dope­ test... all these riders and many, many more.. the vast­ majority these guys were caught via police­ investigations, or probes by governing bodies etc...­ this is why when people say Lance Armstrong has never­ failed a dope test.. it's like... so what... never­ failed a dope test like Kloden, Basso, Millar, Jaschke,­ Ullrich and all the other known dopers found out by­ investigation and not test... it doesn't mean that­ he is a doper (although it sure looks that way since he­ handed the strongest doped up rider in the world their­ butts), but the mere fact that he hasn't failed a­ dope test isn't enough to let you know he's­ clean.. it's just not enough to confirm that he is­ dirty

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Lance has said many times when asked if he has ever­ taken EPO. "No"
Also I'm a brit that­ live sin the US now. I'm not even a little bit­ french

I was in that same hotel training in Jan 1995 and saw­ Riis, Ullrich etc daily.... Thank god I didn't get­ involved (As if I had the option!) or I would be rich­ now and hiding in South Africa or whatever not caring­ if they ban me or not :)