MikeQ~ sorry~ i had mis-read your comment, lol~ i began­ thinking you are defending massa's action when i­ saw you saying he was on the track~

you are correct­ when you are referring to his position after running­ wide on the first chicane and then later on he went off­ track~ i thought you were trying to say he wasn't­ off the track when he created that incident. sorry­ again~~~

well im just glad massa got his deserved panalty­ instead of a £25,000 fine :p, because he wouldve been­ on the podium overwise.

bourdais penalty is a joke. Mass turned in on him, no­ question. It was for position and Bourdais was as close­ to the inside as he could go, not swerving or blocking,­ simply holding his line. Once again the red car gets­ the decision. Hamilton really only has himself to­ blame. I like the guy but his 1st corner was damgerous­ and deserved a penalty. I was slightly disappointed­ when in his interview he appeared to suggest he­ shouldn't have got a penalty as "he didn't­ hit anyone". This may be true but only because­ others decided to drive off the track to avoid his out­ of control dive up the inside.I'm buying Ferarri­ shares as they have no chance of losing, the organisers­ won't allow it.

It is the old story FERRARI HAVE TO WIN Fair means or­ faul . The powers that be(Mossely) hates McClaren and­ also Hamilton. So anything Ferrari does is OK by him­ and as some say Schumacher was guilty of more dangerous­ moves and a lot more drives as well and nothing has­ ever been done up untill it looks like McClaren and­ Hamilton are going to win then out comes the penalties.

Long time F1 fan struggling to believe that Bourdais­ should have been punished for doing nothing wrong.
I­ thought Hamilton showed he was immature and over drove­ the race, and that Massa showed he was also­ immature.
Alonso showed skill, Kubica patience, and­ Raikkonen was almost back to form.
In my book it just­ goes to show that "fast tracking" some­ younger drivers don't mean they are that good­ whatever team they are from!
Mclaren and Ferarri should­ both be penalised for allowing megabucks to cloud their­ judgememnt.
What has remained consistent this year is­ the stewards descisions causing F1 to fall into­ disrepute and farce.

To all previous posts, dont bother anymore, its a done­ deal and Ferrari is the only team allowed to win the­ championship. Stack all your money on Mass to win it,­ how often do we get the chance to bet on somethin which­ we already know the result of, STACK IT ON MASSA ITS A­ DONE DEAL

I've just looked at it again in slomo, when they­ touch Bourdais is right up against the rumble strip and­ Massa is turning in tight on him to make him brake. He­ was going that much faster than Bourdais he could have­ just driven round the outside, it's a big wide­ bend. I'm sorry mate the collision was definitely­ Massa's fault in my opinion, he had loads of room­ to manoeuvre Bourdais had none

If the Massa-Bourdais incident was anyone else then no­ penalty would have been awarded!
we all know that the­ stewards have Ferrari in mind as winners but they cant­ come out aand say that so they do the next best thing­ and make stupid decisions that award Ferreri bogus­ points, what was bourdais meant to do, he had no where­ to go when exiting the pit, mas should have given him­ some space.
When LH does it, then all the Ferreri fans­ are straight on his case, but now FM has done it your­ saying he did nothing wrong!! c'mon, same rules­ should apply to everyone!

Jay, but Massa was the overtaking car i'e going­ faster, Bourdais couldn't have moved any further­ over to the right. I mean why did Massa bother getting­ so close, he could have got past him at any point in­ the next lap.

Vitorlam,

Which part of my previous post are you­ saying was incorrect then?

L.H should learn that the race will not won in the­ first corner , if he want to be champion he has to cool­ down and do his job better than what we saw in Japan.

Massa is a Winner in the championship!!!!

To post 820~ you are very obviously a amateur to the­ sport~ it was a right then left chicane~ hamilton was­ exiting the first chicane and entering the second~ of­ course he is in the middle of the track turing into the­ left hand chicane~

massa had run wide and therefore at­ the outside of the first chicane, he decided to turn­ into the second chicane over the apex (whole car), and­ that is off the track~ he was cutting into the track­ from the outside of the track. he tried to dive back­ into the track trhough apex (the most stupid and­ reckless thing to do) but only to find hamilton's­ car~

This is not an insult and you are free to have­ your comment~ but if you are trying to be fair as your­ text try to suggest~ then maybe you should learn more­ about the sport before making such comments

GO HONDA!!!

As for the collision with LH I've just watched it­ in slomo. LH dived up the inside before the Chicane­ then braked, FM didn't brake enough so he went into­ the first corner very deep, LH was in the centre of the­ track in the middle of the chicane & FM is a full­ car length behind him ON THE TRACK, not on the grass,­ FM had made the corner he just went too deep & was­ overtaken. He had no reason to cut the second corner,­ he was on the track and he was behind LH. He­ deliberately drove across the corner to "head­ off" LH. Whether he meant to hit him or just get­ back in front only he knows.
LH was about 1/2 a cars­ width away from the apex of the second corner so there­ was plenty of room for FM two have at least 2 wheels on­ the track if he had wanted to drive round the corner on­ the inside.
Please don't bother with the insults­ and stuff. Please have a look at it yourself and if any­ of the above is untrue then I'll apologise.

To post 812~~ it's not reckless if they are doing­ it to gain an advantage~ but in massa's case~ the­ wasn't racing bourdais (i mean he was going to­ overtake him no matter what, bourdias was not even­ trying to defend his position, he was just going slowly­ at the inside of the corner and letting massa pass)~­ there was not gain for him to take make that move on­ bourdias, so now that's reckless~

and for the­ move on hamilton~ that's reckless too. ok, you may­ argue that as i have said, in doing that he is making a­ gain~ but it's only if you are doing it in a subtle­ way (like the one at the first corner by hamilton or­ many other examples by schumacher over the years) that­ bad driving will then only be viewed as not­ reckless~~~

this is all form a viewers's­ perspective~ the rant from kubica is bias becuase he­ himself had a few ocassion with hamilton and he is­ viewing the whole thing on his perspective which is­ based on his own sensation that he dislike hamilton

What I don't understand about here is the Logic­ that because Hamilton was stupid, reckless and drove­ like an ameteur, which he did. Then that makes­ Massa's transgressions OK. He definitely drove off­ the track and over the red & white hatchings to­ over take Webber. Penalty !! The argument where else­ could he go doesn't hold up, as all the Ferrari­ fans said after Spa "he could have braked.
He­ definitely drove into Bourdais, who was being over­ taken and was keeping to the inside of the Corner.­ Penalty
I recorded the replay last night so I could­ watch them again to be sure.

I used to really want a ferrari and had always been a­ fan of its cars~ but now I am beginning to associate­ this company with cheats and hypocrites. maybe­ Ferrari's CEO should do something about this­ ferrari f1 team or it's going to hurt their­ reputation and brand value. (well, it's already­ doing the damage, i don't rate ferrari as legendary­ as i used to think)