pianomusiclive, 90,000 and no trophies. Shows football­ fans are genuine in the North East, you glory­ supporting clown.

heyup clint 173,
combined 90,000 and no buckets in the­ cabinet,wonder what the fans think of that eh,still i­ suppose theres no where else to go,the directors of­ both clubs rub their grimy little hands together,all­ that cash,thats what attracted ashley,get the fans­ excited by buying the occasional whoops owen,that keeps­ them on the go,but the truth is the directors and­ owners couldnt give a @#$%,as long as their pockets are­ bulgeing with cash,your cash,your a big club­ alright,question is,big at what!!!!!!!!.

heyup cameron/wilmo/conolly,
do you get that sinking­ feeling,obscurity awaits,at least next season we wont­ be argueing about big clubs,the way newcy fans feel­ after today,they might want to crawl under the nearest­ rock,manu,now thats a big big club.

Cameron, your post 163 was one of your best. I'm­ off to Shearer's Bar to staeady the nerves then to­ my seat for a very nervy 90 mins! Haleygroves post­ 163, Newcastle and Sunderland are within ten minutes of­ each other and yet still pull a combined weekly­ attendance of 90,000 fans.(Despite either of them­ winning owt for years).

I give up, i really do - you just aren't listening­ . . . .club-team = BIG DIFFERENCE!!
Right i'm off­ to the match now, along with 52,000 others . . . . yes,­ a very small attendance for a very small club.
How many­ 'big' clubs would die for an attendance like­ that!
Hmm, me thinks it might just be the 2nd highest­ attendance of the day!

looks like the only way of getting rid of owen,is­ relegation.hes got nowhere else to go. if toon go down­ he wont stay,if they stay up,he will hang on forever­ till another top club takes the bait.oh my god!!!!

hey john o,connell 171
the whole of newcy this season­ has been a circus,the players are like elephants,the­ board are snakes,the manager a clown,the owner a seal­ clappity clap,but its sad,the audiance are not­ laughing.we think they should get their money­ back.??????

hey cameron,
If manu did not win anything in the next­ forty years,i doubt very much that their ground would­ ever be filled,and,they would probably disappear into­ obscurity just like newcastle is about to,Hey up, what­ keeps the grounds full,only success no matter what your­ name is,newcy being a one city club are fortunate­ undeed that they have no real competition,if newcy were­ in london for,eg you would have your work cut out to­ sell a hot dog heyup,arsenal chelsea tottenham fulham­ to name but a few,put newcy in there and the place­ would be EMPTY

hey neutral florence,
you cannot take away the trophy­ factor,all fans will tell you this is the be all and­ end all of a clubs,teams,players measure of­ success,regardless of turnover,size etc.eg stretford­ end united put 500,000 bums on seats every week,their­ turnover is double that of any of the big 4,but they­ are nowhere in the league,?are they a great­ club..??????...........................................­ ....................................................???­ ?????????????who,........precisely.

hey cameron/wilmo
big club/massive­ club/giants/huge/great/none of this matters,wilmo is­ right,its whats in the cabinet/silverware/honours that­ makes a club.i would say to settle your argument change­ the criteria to outstanding,newcastle cannot compete on­ these grounds can they,even on a 100,000 seater they­ would not compare with the likes of­ manu/liv/ars/chelsk,magic 4 but they are good at­ putting bums on seats,granted.but lack of honours puts­ toon well down the lists in terms of big club etc.!

From a purely neutral point of veiw.. id have to say­ that i agree with what cameron w is saying and the rest­ of yous just arnt getting the point. eg: he says hes­ not talking about trophies etc then the next guy makes­ an argument based on.. wait for it... trophies..­ lmao!!! You been told by comment 170

hey cameron/wilmo
big club/massive­ club/giants/huge/great/none of this matters,wilmo is­ right,its whats in the cabinet/silverware/honours that­ makes a club.i would say to settle your argument change­ the criteria to outstanding,newcastle cannot compete on­ these grounds can they,even on a 100,000 seater they­ would not compare with the likes of­ manu/liv/ars/chelsk,magic 4 but they are good at­ putting bums on seats,granted.but lack of honours puts­ toon well down the lists in terms of big club etc.!

well done michael!! he wont quit because he is the best­ finisher at newcastle. martins provides pace, viduka­ gives skill but owen finishes the chances, he just­ needs to do less himself and more shootin =)...

As a Toon fan i will admit that if Owen could play for­ a club of his choice, it wouldn't be us. He came to­ Newcastle because we were prepared to pay a bigger fee­ than any other club and pay him a bigger salary than­ anyone else and judging by what he has given us over­ the last four years, You can see we were wrong and they­ were right.
I would like to think we had learned our­ lesson but in January, we were trying to sign him up­ again for more of the same for £90.000 a week.
We have­ a very important game on Saturday and I dont think the­ Owen circus should distract our players. He should be­ dropped with Martins rightly taking his place. Iv'e­ no doubt Owen will be gone before the start of next­ season but if we stay up, Martins will still be here­ making the result a lot more important to him, and­ besides I personally believe that their would be a goal­ or two from Viduka and Martins up front but I'm not­ at all confident with Owen starting.

andy.willmo
There you go yet again!
For crying out­ loud, don't you read man!
First of all, it was YOU­ who started this nonsense, so it is you and YOUR­ paranoia matey.
Secondly we are discussing CLUBS and­ NOT TEAMS!!
I am not denying the fact that in terms of­ TEAM success, Newcastle United is a pathetically­ miniscule TEAM - never won anything for 40 years nor­ likely to for the considerable future. I am not denying­ that, never have done! Now read this carefully you­ absolute biased, closed-minded, stubborn fool - go to­ the Deloittes TOP-20 CLUBS in the world in term of­ financial turnover - in there you will find a certain­ NUFC, been in there for years pal! This is what defines­ big 'CLUBS', it's got absolutely NOTHING to­ do with teams or team success.
Tell me, If man united­ win nowt for the next 40 years but still pull in 75,000­ and remain the most powerful club in the footballing­ commercial world, will you then consider them to be a­ 'small club' - by your criteria you would have­ to surely, and we all know that would be wrong!
Even­ ferguson states NUFC are a 'massive club' - he­ said it not me; are you doubting the words of the­ great man?
As for this poppycock that we at NUFC­ believe we have a divine right to be in the Premier­ League - give me ONE single shred of eveidence to back­ that up. Come to SJP tomorrow and see what the English­ Premier League means to us, and gauge the humility that­ oozes from the terraces - it is a privilege to play in­ the EPL and that is why we are fighting for our­ lives.
And to finish with, i actually rate Blackpool as­ a big club with absolutely masses of untapped­ potential.
Now i am tired with this.
Just remember,­ Club-Team . . . there is a world of difference!

cameron w.

and yes I have been to Old Trafford, and St­ James's, both very nice stadiums!.... its just that­ they fill the one in manchester with silverware!
must­ be a north west thing!
TIT!

cameron w.

I'm a Blackpool fan. small club, small­ squad and a small ground. I think we are punching above­ our weight in the championship! but I'm being­ realistic, How on earth can you not judge a team by­ it's success? that is the whole point of the game!­ A point you just don't get!
You think that its­ Newcastles divine right to be in the Premiership!­
Where does your paranoia come from regarding­ Manchester United??? are you feeling insecure?
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owen is still quality, he just lacks the confidence a­ goal WILL give him