Federer wins on return to Rotterdam

Cliches... Well, someone calls original just what's­ orgin or .. at the end it may come out that a heavy ego­ is struggling to gain attention throwing its boring­ personal issues to the public which is "not­ ready" to face it. It's useful for such an­ "originals" to go out and look around - every­ man they see is made of the same thing as they are and­ what they perceive as their own exceptional content is­ shared by billions all over the world - one way or­ another.
A cliche MAY be a treasure in the ocean of­ deluded humans lost in their identity maze, or..
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if­ I understand you well, you are doing all this just to­ please me – just to give me the opportunity to gain­ attention trough the conversation with you?) Aha, ok.­ Thanks - if you say so that must be the truth. I would­ not like to bother you more. Also, i confess .. all you­ say, Teo won again.
I owe you. Thanks again

note, I­ didn’t say anything “new”. Try to forget those last few­ words if you can, please

for any case i will not­ check this topic again. at this moment this is 49.­ comment.
50. all others together with the all fame is­ just yours
yuppieeee

Serbs... I never mentioned Germans, Japanese,­­ whatever... I have been begging you to stop using­­ national qualifications since the beginning of our­­ heart breaking talks :) You are the one that's been­ implying it in almost every argument of yours. So,­ there is prejudice but it's by your side. For me­ it's absolutely the same if someone comes from East­ or West in terms of personal value and dignity.
What­ makes me wonder again and again is this unfortunate­ misunderstanding that one can have when trying to find­ problems even there where it's safe and free.­ It's a sad situation to think that what's deep­ is always dark and complicated. The brightest minds see­ it clear and simple.

Cliches... Well, someone calls original just what's­ obscure or what he finds to be his "most­ impressive" feature. But at the end it may come­ out that a heavy ego is struggling to gain attention­ throwing its boring personal issues to the public which­ is "not ready" to face their stunning depth.­ It's useful for such an "originals" to go­ out and look around - every man they see is made of the­ same thing as they are and what they perceive as their­ own exceptional content is shared by billions all over­ the world - one way or another.
A cliche may be a­ treasure in the ocean of deluded humans lost in their­ identity maze.

Serbs... I also mentioned Germans, Japanese,­ whatever... I have been begging you to stop using­ national qualifications since the beginning of our­ heart breaking talks :) You are the one that's been­ implying it in almost every argument of yours. So,­ there is prejudice but it's by your side. For me­ it's absolutely the same if someone comes from East­ or West in terms of personal value and dignity.
What­ makes me wonder again and again is this unfortunate­ misunderstanding that one can have when trying to find­ problems even there where it's safe and free.­ It's a sad situation - to think that what's­ deep is always dark and complicated. The brightest­ minds see it clear and simple.

“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.­ Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.­ I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the­ Tannhäuser Gate. All those ... moments will be lost in­ time, like tears...in rain.
Time to die.” Rutger Hauer­ as Roy Batty (Bladeruner‘82)

)Just kidding - no­ regrets. At the end we are at ES and there are some­ limits. As for me, you have all the freedom of the­ world to keep your prejudices and spend all your time­ in try to prove it - nothing can be done there,­ it's already been done and for you that is it, “the­ whole truth”.

At the and, you must be right as­ always. As someone sad
“..long ago I left all my­ illusions that anyone can beat woman’s logic. That­ can’t even GOATs..”)
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I know, sensitive times for­ OOUGOAT crew, but I have to leave now - we may miss our­ next flight)

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a pity. Yesterday I had read your comment 40, and­ wanted to answer today. Yours good, free, but in this­ case unusable definition of “the complex” was good­ start. Also “eastern macho” issue you mentioned. We­ could exchange a few thoughts about Antichrist too .. I­ wanted to find a link to your previous answers that you­ mentioned.. but I see now there is no need. We have all­ the answers in 41 and 42... thanks to your­ efforts)

“There is nothing to cling at, but is hard to­ let go”

Yours potential is large, (almost as­ Nola's)) but cliche of your thoughts is still too­ deep. Unfortunately it comes down to the criticism,­ empty complaints.. etc etc, mutual waste of time­ (fortunately we have obviously enough). We already­ talked about all this - there is no reason to become­ angry again - nothing personally. That is why i omit­ too many talks.. my “English” too)
With the armor that­ you wear, the bar is simply too high for us. It is too­ hard for you to notice that what you're talking­ about you can apply to the other (you wouldn’t believe­ – at yourself too) long before and more than at “ones”­ to whom you talk. I mean at least at the small group of­ Nole fans i sow you communicate. This applies not only­ to you.
“Serbs”? “Serbs” or what? Serbs. That is still­ stronger than you - the challenge you still can’t­ resist, and that is that “long long story”. Some people­ are not persons, they are simply the "serbs",­ and that means "something". Right, we are too­ different, but the "serb" or not, does not­ make a difference in this case. If you're managed­ to apply what we talked about (the "serbs"­ and other fix ideas), perhaps we will manage to make a­ step further .. but with your shield we can not go­ higher than 8000). We just can go down. Sorry, that’s­ it

iri_nay

Where are you? Whatching movies to impress the­ girls :) Or attending a minority meeting in your head,­ troubled by the ghosts of the West :)
I gave you­ explanation that you asked for. Anything still unclear,­ my dear macho man?

Guys,all this talk of the GOAT is an argument that will­ run forever,usually though it IS based on number of­ grand slam wins that that counts when the discussion is­ between two rational intelligent people.The list is­ long, Federer,Sampras,Emerson,Laver,Borg,Nadal,Lendl­ and there are still many more who have graced the game­ with more than five slam wins,so Nole is nowhere near­ right now.He may overtake many or all on that list but­ right now he is a long way off.The best time to debate­ this is when Federer Nadal and Nole have finished there­ careers as i believe all will add to there grand slam­ account.

Another funny example of your illness (the so called­ minority complex) is that you think that if someone­ says:

"Nole is doing great, he won 5 GS and­ stays on top for 38 weeks and counting... well, next to­ him plays the veteran Roger who has 16 GS and 285 weeks­ on top, so Nole has a way to go until he reaches­ Roger"

this is a way to underestimate Nole. So,­ to say what's true is underestimating in your eyes.­ You see, a minority (of biased culturally separated­ group) is afraid to deal with the truth, the truth­ seems offensive - the lie, the dream is what makes it­ feel comfortable... And then delusion comes.

I know that you have problems with "the more is­ the better", you like "the Serb is the­ better".
Well, what about "the Swiss is the­ better, the French is the better, the Polish is the­ better, the American is the better, the German is the­ better, the Japanese is the­ better"...!?!?!

"The more is the­ better" simply avoids the ugly chauvinistic­ embarrassment when judging what's worthy, replacing­ it with the humble objectiveness of numbers. Of course­ you won't like it because it only shows the bias­ weight of your claims.

iri_nay

Minority complex is quite simple to be­ explained - it's something that makes some small­ groups make big claims that lack proofs. The minority­ feels insecure so it needs to make its dreams to be­ regarded as reality in order to compensate its unstable­ position. The thing is that minority may not actually­ stand for less quantity but be a state of mind based on­ some cultural issues. That's why it's close to­ inferiority - but I prefer not to look at it like this.­ Minority complex as seen in our context is just a­ stupid manifestation of irrelevant patriotism in a­ field that is free from such attitudes because in it­ the personal achievement exceeds the boundaries and­ unites people all over the world.

I love your irony, I­ love Bunuel - but it's sad that you use your­ beautiful mind in order to defend bias positions that­ separate you with the world that you belong to.
I hope­ you've read my post about Lars Von Trier and its­ pretentious but hollow recent movies. "Breaking­ the waves", "Europa",­ "Idiots", "Dancer in the Dark"...­ were good, but "Antichrist" and­ "Melancholy" are just a shameful paraphrase­ of Andrei Tarkovski that the Russian genius would have­ spit over.

Your patronizing manner of speaking with a­ woman is charming but makes me think again about this­ minority-inferiority issues that an old fashioned macho­ has to deal with :)

SSHH! QUIET!
last time i left you here and Im glad that­ my feithful stewardess greets me in better shape today­ as I see)

Maybe you did not noticed about Fed’s issue­ - there was always been pathos in the reactions far­ more than in “actions against his majesty OOUGOAT” or­ “predictions”. Now we come to the paradox - Nole’s­ issue. The short memory is when you forget dominant­ competition here for the all previous years – “How to­ underestimate Novak - the more is the better?”. I'm­ quite a long here but I didn’t noticed anyone protested­ among the all "new smart heads" – do i need­ to say far mere brutal than this naive jokes? Not to­ mention the result... but ok, leave that - more­ important is what i wanted to ask you about something I­ never understood - you must be a real expert as you use­ it so often in your reactions, so I would not like to­ miss something invisible from my blind corner. That­ label "MINORITY COMLEX", what exactly is­ that? What it means, where you find it, can you define­ it? Is that something like “inferior complex” when­ people who belong to minority groups are treated as­ inferior? Is that just a product of some kind of­ "majority complex"? I would not bore you more­ - you can enrich Wiki with your kind answer (i­ didn't find it there), and just put the link here.­ Don’t hurry, when you find the time..
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For now i just­ didn’t understand you well – do you want to say that­ Fed is a GOAT?
Please repeat, I just like to see­ “Discreet charm of the bourgeoisie” in your version­ again and again)

No 2 velizar.Grow up.

Did I say Nole is best ever Teodora? No, you did­ instead of me, I just said the new star was born, but I­ believe the next GOAT.
World didn't expect, and­ didn't see such dominance in the best tennis era.­ 21 wins against the top 10, and what kindnof top 10?!

Teodora@ Well, some people disagree with you, like Pete­ Sampras saying couplemdays ago:"I didn't see­ such seson before" considering the well known fact­ (which Roger fans don't want to accept, but­ doesn't matter) this is the strongest competition­ ever.
I agree it's not easy at all to achieve Roger­ records, but if he managed, Nole can do as well. How­ many slams Roger had when he was 24? 5. And how many­ Nole have? 5
Regarding beating the brests, thismismhow­ Nole express his fillings, and then come calm on the­ press, while Roger leaving the court calm, and then­ express his energy we all know how..........the swiss­ way, arogant and negative!

iri_nay

To make predictions about Roger is not just­ stupid, as I said many times, it's pathetic. You­ have to watch just Nole - Fed has 6 Wimbledon titles -­ record equaling 5 in a row and 1 all time GS record­ breaking in front of the previous holder Pete Sampras­ and the whole sports world. By the way when he won it­ and topped the history ranking he didn't tore his­ shirt off.
When a minority complex appears on the­ scene it has the need to shout and speak nonsense even­ when winning so much less than the real greats.­ It's really embarrassing for the reasonable­ environment... So, it's so much better if you­ concentrate on what your guy has to do in the coming­ tournaments and leave the legends enjoy what they have­ already done. Roger may decide to play or not, win or­ not - it would have take years for someone to come­ close to his records.

Sasa,

yes, a new star was born­ in 2011, but, come on, the world has seen even greater­ stars before, only a couple of delusional guys behave­ as if it's something never seen. As I wrote some­ time ago Switzerland is even smaller country than­ Serbia and they never had such an athlete like Roger­ but during the years I've never met here a Swiss­ company shouting and beating their breasts with insane­ looks. Quite the opposite, the whole world supporting­ Roger humbly waited until he really proved his­ greatness in order to praise him as the best ever. You­ should calm down and do the same.

Again - it's­ easy to beat an aging super successful player, it's­ hard or maybe impossible to reach his records. A­ dignified opponent and his fans should concentrate on­ the big future goal and stop humiliating themselves by­ rejoicing over some tiny wins of today.

Velizar - bit harsh but true. Although a Fed fan I­ wouldn't be that silly and thumb you down just­ because you touched my god. I regret some others did­ though...

Without Djoko and Rafa, Fed is most likely to win this­ tourney. Delpo and Tommy are the only two who could­ challenge him for the titlle. Good luck Fed.

So glad that Roger won. He lost two matches in the­ Davis Cup on clay - his least favourite surface. I­ refuse to be negative about him, because he always­ gives 100% in his matches and, like all of us, nobody­ is perfect, he loses some.

GOOD LUCK ROGER FOR THE­ REST OF THE YEAR.
S