I believe Armstrong is not big enough who cannot be­ brought down. You can see many things in the real life­ that has been big and lost. Look at Nixon or Look at­ Lehmans and it can be continued. The real story will­ start very soon and there are certain people out there­ to make sure this story will be finished in a way that­ will satisfy the morally right people.

Great though he was, Armstrong, nor any other rider, is­ big enough to 'bring down the reputation of the­ tour and cycling'. It's been around a lot­ longer and has withstood greater storms than one guy,­ whatever he has done, can diminish. Don't get me­ wrong, I've been a fan. However, Lance Armstrong is­ NOT cycling nor is he the Tour de France.

Lance is riding the race as if it was a Sunday spin or­ a sportive....Armstrong is too big to be brought down­ now....if he is he will bring reputation of the tour­ and cycling with him.Sponors are hard enough to come by­ and if LA is proved to be a cheat it would be the final­ nail.
It's dissapointing the way he seems to have­ just given up and is not even trying to help Leiphmer

People are questioning why is Lance Armstrong no longer­ in all the news. I, like millionsof others, was­ enthralled and excited by his riding when he was at his­ peak. Unfortunately, since his return he is no longer­ that rider. It has taken a couple of years but finally­ people have realised that, great though he was, there­ are now many others carrying out enthralling and­ exciting feats. Without wishing to sound cold, he is­ yesterday's news. Thanks for the memories Lance.

So Vino was silly some years ago, so was David Millar,­ so was............ you name them. The way this was­ repeated and repeated during ITV4's commentary was­ disgusting. Well done to Vino for taking his chance and­ well done to Cavendish for proving that he can sprint­ on his own in the proper manner. Renshaw is uneccesary­ but his wins will be a lot closer.
While on the subject­ of ITV4 has anyone else noticed Paul Sherwins wierd­ pronounciation of 'arriere du peleton' which­ means back of the bunch. His version is 'arriere du­ pouleton' which I think means 'back of the­ chichen' or 'chickens ar*e'

The real question is what has happened to Lance­ Armstrong as his performance doesn't show courage­ and the brilliance. I guess he is closely watched by­ authorities, dealing with the dopping controls. At the­ same time more and more people are being issued­ subpoenas to testify under oat at a court. Too many­ revalations have come alive in the recent months. In­ addition, in the past there were already people who­ testified under oath in Armstrong's business. Now­ things are getting more and more serious as this is not­ only a dopping investigation but also a fraud­ investigation, too. Different countries have started­ there own investigations, regarding his, his teammates­ and certain others practises in the past. I also wonder­ about the responsibility of the UCI by accepting­ donations from Armstrong. It seems these statements­ under oath will determine the continuity of the­ investigation.
It is also worth bearing in mind that­ making false statement under oat means, perverting the­ course of justice, which can be followed by jail­ sentence.

We need more Vino's. Just go for it!!

It was definitely a tale of two ex-cheaters today. On­ the one hand, you had VIno doing everything in his­ willpower to win a a stage at the tour. And, on the­ opposite end of the spectrum, you have Lance­ Pharmstrong. The cheater realizes he can not compete so­ he has given up on the tour and his teammates. Hey­ Dopestrong, your other cheating body­ "Lie"pheimer is trying to finih on the­ podium, why don't you be a respectable domestique­ and aid him. This is what happens to cheaters when they­ are exposed, they quit. Hope you save your legs(and­ that syringe) for one last hurrah. This tour has been­ so exciting. The only thing that will beat it is when­ Cheatstrong and his fanboys will have that inevitable­ day of revelations. Itsa coming my friends. So good.

Vino's comeback has made Lance's look very­ second rate indeed. He'll be a very important and­ imposing team mate for Contador in the next few days.

I do not know how anyone who hasn't spoken to all­ the riders who cheated can make a statement saying all­ their apologies are false.. do any of us know how they­ feel and what they said to their respective National­ Federations/WADA etc??

I don't know if all even­ know so much about the larger doping organisers or if­ some just took and asked little questions, so am open­ minded on the subject.. many people smoke cannabis but­ not all actually know the big dealers as many buy from­ a mate, so if caught haven' actually got a lot to­ tell the police .. I don'tknow how it works in­ cycling so cannot say.. I would really like to know­ where some of you get your inside information from.

When Harmon says 'Ah, Vinoookorov, love him or hate­ him...', what he means is 'I hate­ Vinokourov'. Yes, we get it, you don't like­ him. So, don't keep telling us. Harmon, love him or­ hate hi, he is enthusiastic.

The apologies from almost every rider caught doping­ were false.

Almost all of them said "soz­ mate" then got back on with failing to break­ omerta. Dave included.

Unless they do a Kohl, their­ apologies are empty. That's why it doesn't­ matter if Vino said sorry or not.

I really hope that was a clean win today, if so­ chapeau­ to Vino, he took his chance well. However I­ sadly have­ my doubts due to some past 'blotting of­ his­ copybook'. Glad to see Cav is the real deal,­­ without his team to lead him out today he showed­­ real quality to win the sprint, fingers crossed that he­ starts getting into some intermediate sprints as well­ to make the points up to help with green jersey­ challenge. Heres hoping Lance can sig

1. I'm surprised no -one has mentioned the fact­ that Armstrong lost another 4.5 minutes again today.­ Every climb he has been dropped and lost time. I am­ really disappointed - i thought he would make this­ another tense tdF. Instead he seems to have dropped off­ the face of the earth - not even interested at staying­ with the leaders. I'm sorry but if Cavendish is­ able to stay up close to the front, how can Armstrong­ not be competing??

2. I am amazed that so many people­ support Vino. It's not that he cheated - so many­ riders have done. It's the complete denial when­ questioned. He has never said sorry. He's never­ said he's learned his lesson. He's never said­ he's changed. He was interviewed after the race and­ again refused to say he was now clean and had learned­ his lesson.

David Miller is a great example - he came­ clean, admitted his mistakes and has moved on. As an­ aside I think it is interesting that he has never been­ quite so good since. Ivan Basso to a lesser extent has­ taken the medicine and turned himself around. Vino?­ Gimme a break. I will never trust the guy.

I really hope that was a clean win today, if so chapeau­ to Vino, he took his chance well. However I sadly have­ my doubts due to some past 'blotting of his­ copybook'. Glad to see Cav is the real deal,­ without his team to help him through today he showed­ real quality

But today Cav didnt win the sprint with a big distance­ it was a bit tight, if a healty tyler Farrar was there­ he might beat him.

@The number 7 - if u think Vino did a lot attacking in­ 2 stages near the finish, i can imagine what u think of­ Chavanel who has 2 victories one after a long­ breakaway. Vino took advantage of the descend, just­ like his win in Gap. You can see the risks that he took­ while Voecler took it more safetly and got caught. Vino­ didt got caught, at least not yet :).

Before you all hang my head, I will tell you one thing­ first:
I follow Astana Team and I want them to be­ successful as much as you guys who love Astana.

But, I­ must say that I'm really surprised to see Vino won­ Stage 13 after fighting all the way in Stage 12. Is he­ Superman or what?

It is just unbelievable.....

Hey Brian how many more cheats did you forget want a­ list?
@#$% this people dream of cheating. Please cheat­ on your wifes and leave us alone