All I'm seeing is three beautiful cars!

Vinny, I know. I understand where you're coming from!

Guess I shouldn't have spoken for you either mjhzxc. Apologies.

Ferrari fans I want to hear about Ferrari, your own drivers and any team developments, as well as how you think the championship is going to pan out this year, how Ferrari are going to deal with reg changes next year. I don't want to hear about McLaren and Hamilton.

Forza,
My earlier comments were not directed at you.

bilal m, Nigel Stepney was employed as the Ferrari race technical manager. What he offered to Honda were not technical details, they were details of the Ferrari race strategy as well as details of the special gas Ferrari were using in their bridgestones, a development overseen by Stepney in his role as race technical manager. This was his intellectual property as well as various other aspects of race strategy in his role as race technical manager. Mike Coughlan on the other hand was McLarens senior engineer, so McLaren lost technical info, Ferrari strategy info. You obviously have no idea what your discussing here. After an FIA hearing on 6 December 2007, Renault were found guilty of breaching the same regulation as McLaren, but were not punished. Like I said it was Mosley vs Dennis, if you couldn't see that, well what can I say.

I didn't mention Alonso at all in relation to spygate only in relation to his being out driven by a 22 year old rookie. Thats your second mistake. Your third is that you hate McLaren and Hamilton because you fear them. My advice is don't panic and concentrate on your own team. And as I said before, Alonso is clearly happy to remain 'a big fish in a small pond' Fair I think?

Sorry, guess I put the needle back on that same broken record as well.

no, what we're saying is if you're such a "good" guy, blowing the whistle on whats wrong, thats fine. Just don't use it to try and get your own personal whims and needs taken care of through blackmail. Alonso cheated as well, and Dennis probably knew something about it as also. Alonso tried to use the fact that Dennis would be held responsible as leverage. He should be just as dirty in your eye as well. Hypocrite!

I just want to add that the only time that I mention the "spygate" deal is when someone else brings it up and has the audacity to blame Ferrari for getting their data stolen!

I agree with mjhzxc, time to put this whole mess behind us.

Alonso staying with Renault could turn out to be a good move. With their budget increase, they should be able to get back to the top. After all, Renault has a good track-record in F1.

infact...you are blind sweety...

infact you are blind sweety!!!

mjhzxc...did you mean that Alonso should have kept silent about the stolen data to stay in mclaren well is that morals and ethics that you and all other mclaren fans are talking about!!!

told ya mjhzxc.
It's no use. They're as blind as they say we are.

mjhzxc...I think you get confused between an engineer carying his knowledge from one team to the other and stealing his peers achievments and hard work. Its not Nigel Stepney who design Ferrari’s car so don’t get mixed between stealing and carying knowledge and for those who still insist that RD and all the other staff didn’t know about the stolen documents then how can Fernando blackmail RD about something he didn’t know and what about the emails between FA and Pedro this means that even pedro knew about Ferraries mass destribution and other stolen information.BTW mjhzxc I knew from the very first lines that you are a mclaren fan because that what I was talking about that you all see the spy scandal as any ordinary thing maybe because you are get used to these kind of things?!!! I’m really chocked about how can some people get to see the same thing in completely two different ways what’s the matter with you people … ?!!! and yes the article is about Fernando staying in Renault but you are the one who bring thin conv by blaming ONLY AND ONLY (the dirty)Fernando about the spy scandal come on guys get real it’s the big heads in mclaren “includinf RD” and blaming Alonso for what?!!! For telling the truth!!! What a shame and its not max who is killing F1 it’s the likes of your team (mclaren)…

mhobbs53 you say the Alonso situation makes you smile, I have to say the situation made me want to give up on humanity. Compare Alonso's reaction to Hamilton and tantrums to that of Graham Hill taking a young Jackie Stewart under his wing at BRM and then Jackie Stewart continuing the tradition and taking his young team mate Francois Cevert under his wing at Tyrrell. Alonso has destroyed himself.

Again regarding Alonso, I think he is officially considered damaged goods now. Yes smaller teams are interested but still he refuses the challenge he prefers to remain un-threatened. I think Hamilton damaged him bad. Compare Alonso to Raikkonen, Kimi hasn't put a foot wrong, he keeps his mouth shut, does the business (usually) and keeps the team stable. That's what the teams are looking for. The days of the temperamental, with an emphasis on 'mental' prima-donna are gone. The stable team is everything.

Re: item 58 Good luck with that one mjhzxc.

It makes me smile to imagine Alonso agonising about what it could have been if he'd kept his ego under control last season. If he hadn't binned his career with McLaren by acting like a spoilt brat he would be in a lot better shape at present. Ok so he felt threatened by an up and coming rookie, he should have taken it like a man and given it his best shot on track and let the best man win, who knows, if he's showed more maturity, he could be defending world champion this season and not Kimi.

But Raven, what exactly does that mean, in real terms. Do we say now say Ferrari are cheats forever because Schumacher intentionally drove into Villeneuve and Hill and stopped his car during Monaco qualy to impede Kimi and had a ton of black flags and Ferrari occasionally run illegal parts. Do we disregard Ferrari's record because of an individuals actions. Just check your history? Don't be a headline sucker! Last year was about Mosley vs Dennis and everyone in the industry knows that. Now if you want to take some kind of peverse unsporting satisfaction out of that, then that probably reveals more about you. What are you so afraid of.

If McLaren held Ferrari data how did they then produce a stronger car than them last year? They had the same data didn't they? Believe me, it has happened before and it will happen again, it is usually more subtle, as long as key engineers move from team to team. I think even Ferrari fans realise they are on shaky ground when it comes to pointing the finger with any certainty over this one, especially in light of the recent revelations against Mosley. Think for yourself and be fair.