Ginger I posted something very similar this morning.
I­ fist posted it some weeks ago and nearly got lynched­ for it!

Chris T,
totally agree with you sir, it's the same­ with the Honda fuel cell, and the McLaren spy gate, or­ branded cheats, yet Ferraris, flexing wing and flexing­ floor, nothing. Who's the cheat?

Chris T,
yet Ferraris, flexing wing and flexing floor,­ nothing.

Chris T,
totally agree with you sir, it's the same­ with the Honda fuel cell, and the McLaren spy gate, or­ branded cheats,

MGA: I wasn't sure if it had run out or not, I­ only really used it as recogniseable terminology to­ identify the agreement between FOM and the teams for­ the distribution of monies among other aspects of the­ sport, my point was more a suggestion of the FOTA­ acting as a single negotiating body on behalf of all­ teams to formulate a single agreement that benefits no­ individual to the detriment of any other.

Perhaps the economic crisis will be the catalyst needed­ to bring common sense back to Formula One. The teams­ may have no other choice that join forces against­ Bernie and the FIA. Let's hope so.

It was fun­ discussing these matters with all of you. Have a nice­ evening.

Chris T: I say the following are all dubious and all­ benefitted Ferrari.....

1) Ferrari escape­ disqualification for illegal rear wing.
2) Ferrari­ escape punishment for illegal floorpan.
3) Rules­ redefined on "moveable aerodynamic devices"­ to outlaw Renault's Mass Damper after Ferrari­ become only team to really struggle to implement it.
4)­ Rules redefined on "moveable aerodynamic­ devices" to allow Ferrari to use wheel covers­ which were not only aerodynamic devices, but also­ technically moved.
5) Honda penalised when excess fuel­ could be argued to be ballast as the car would not move­ without it.
6) "Cool Fuel" issue at Brazil in­ 2007 which if deemed illegal would have stripped Kimi­ of his WDC and hadn't it to Lewis.

Now I'm­ sure there are some I have missed, and unfortunately I­ can't add balance by arguing the other side (and I­ actually would have liked to) because I can't think­ of any decisions in the same ilk that have penalised­ Ferrari or benefitted their competition.

MGA Pitpass carries the story . The Concorde­ Agreement has in fact expired although there is a­ letter of agreement standing

tele996 : I am not horrified by anything that happens­ in F1 and quite bluntly i don't see why anyone here­ is either. Does the Carry on Gang mean anything to you­ ? This is total entertainment and nothing else . What­ kind of reasonable and respectable business would be­ caught in such a mess. Constantly i hear the notions of­ F1 near the end , bad for the sport , etc etc and on­ the next page i read about all those who are investing­ in F1 . Right now there appears to be 4 different­ groups looking at Honda. If as many say F1 is finished­ , rigged , fixed then why would there be such an­ interest in Honda . Are these people just plain stupid­ ? Don't they know there's a recession right­ around the world? Don't they know only Ferrari gets­ good deals ? My guess is that they haven't found­ this forum yet. Hope they don't until they've­ bought.

I agree with you and do respect your opinion forza and­ I also agree with ginger gitts opinion that fota is a­ threat to bernie and the fia, it must be, anything that­ unifies the teams will be a threat. Bernie and the fia­ like to divide and rule and fota poses a big problem­ for them.

At this point I would like to scream about­ Renault's mass damper. Outlawed after over a season­ in use. Let Schumacher nearly take the championship­ from Alonso. Only an unusual breakdown of a Ferrari­ kept Alonso his title.

Gentlemen: MGA Forza, Slim, Paul, tele
I did enjoy­ that. I didn't get angry or insulted or removed­ once! A bit of tension earlier, but I suppose Slim had­ only read my err less than 100% serious comments.
I­ liked the bit about bouncing on the sofa with a cup of­ tea! Brought back memories.

SlimJ,
sorry I have to correct you their, Honda fuel­ cell, was found guilty by the FIA, on the grounds, that­ it was theoretically possible, for the car to be­ underweight. the car was never underweight, and if you­ remember, Honda's defence was, if the fuel cell was­ empty, the car would not move. The FIA dismissed that­ argument, and found them guilty, even though the car­ was not found to be underweight, and the truth of the­ matter is, they were a serious threat to Ferrari, just­ like McLaren was, same result.

Forza, nice to see you again, a reasoned pro-Ferrari­ stance has been a rarity, so welcome back.

I do think­ that there needs to be somekind of investigation into­ the true wordings of this agreement with Ferrari. And­ once that is done (and any reprimand has been handed­ out if it is required) ALL Concorde Agreements with ALL­ teams should be torn up. A new single agreement should­ then be drawn up between FOM and FOTA, so no single­ team can ever have the ability to influence the sport­ in such a way, thus forcing all teams to work together­ for the good of the sport.

Just out of curiosity, does­ anyone think this FOTA is a united alliance that­ actually scares the FIA and Bernie? All teams acting­ together as one (including Ferrari this time) could­ make a breakaway series a serious prospect as long as­ they are all singing from the same hymn sheet, but how­ much is that scaring people into the latest outbursts­ against Ferrari? $80million a year to "buy"­ Ferrari's loyalty and 5 years down the line they­ are not only now "on the other side" (so to­ speak) but are apparently the "enemies" new­ leaders.

It's no secret that Ron Dennis and Max are not­ exactly on each other's Christmas card list- and­ haven't been for many, many years.

tele996, I will answer honestly. I admit that many­ decisions have been made that seem to favor Ferrari. I­ don't necessarily buy into the conspiracy theory. I­ do believe, however, that the FIA has some kind of­ "vendetta" against McLaren, which naturally­ benefits Ferrari.

I have been watching Formula One­ long enough to know that things change. Ferrari used to­ get those same kind of penalties not so long ago. I­ seem to remember that Williams also suffered the same­ fate at some time in the past. Unfortunately, the FIA­ has a long history of inconsistency that leads to all­ kinds of theories.

MGA
Can we start chucking poo now?

I think they're hiding.

I must say, it is nice to finally have a discussion­ with varying opinions and no cheap insults. It looks as­ if the "locos" took a day off.

... and is it the left or right side of you?