dsor.
I'll tell you what. Try this for an­ experiment. Fit a set of racing slick tyres to your­ car. Then when it next rains, try to drive it full­ speed.
Then get a computer wheeled to your hospital­ bed and tell us how it went.

Perhaps FIA should have sentanced the Renault bosses to­ be crashed into a wall at high speed to see how they­ liked it!!Punishment handed out shows no bottle on FIAs­ part
if Mclaren had been involved, it would have been­ the management that would have been suspended, not the­ sentance!!! Does Moseley have a secret sponsorship from­ Renault??

To all those muppets who say that MASSA should be­­ Champion. Err, don't think so. Since Renault­­ cheated and if TEFLONSO was stripped of his win and­­ disqualified then the other finishers in the Singapore­­ race would all move up one place. ROSBERG would get­ his­ maiden win. HAMILTON would get 2 more points and­ MASSA­ would move from 13th to 12th. MASSA lost the­ WDC­ because his pit crew let him leave the pits with­ his­ fuel hose still attached. I know it was a great­ laugh­ but it cost MASSA the WDC, it was NOTHING to do­ with ­ the NP jnr crash.

#399: If he still had laps of fuel on board why did he­ pit? He left the pits with his fuel hose still­ attached! His pit crew cost him the race and the WDC.­ Watch the video! Some muppets will cling to any­ misguided belief because they hate to think that LH out­ drove the Ferraris.

richardwilson147 @392 Why did Ron Dennis walk?

@396 , no impact on the race, you are talking with your­ trousers down, who was leading with still laps of fuel­ on board, before the accident?

@(394)Renault (and Toyota) are going to withdraw before­ the­ begining of the 2010 season, you are joking, not­ with one of Frances idols taking over, go to France­ Yahoo my friend.

Marino: Can you stop posting in CAPITALS, it makes it­ very hard to read and it is the equivalent of SHOUTING.­ Thank you.

Renault (and Toyota) are going to withdraw before the­ begining of the 2010 season anyway so it is no­ punishment at all. When these two teams have gone­ perhaps the FIA can make a rule that the big­ manufacturers can only supply engines and gear boxes­ instead of holding our sport to ransom and­ blackmail.all the time. And that includes Mercedes.

HELLO MY LITTLE HOT HEADED BUNNIES, WHAT VERY HOT HEADS­ WE HAVE, IT'S VERY EARLY MORNING OVER HERE IN CHILE­ AND THE AIR IS CRISP AND COLD, A BIT LIKE THE WELCOME­ MAT HERE ON THIS SITE. A TWO YEAR SUSPENDED BAN FOR­ RENAULT........WELL MY F1 BUDDIES, WHAT EVER THE­ PUNISHMENT IT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAVE ANY BIT, RENAULT­ LIKE TOYOTA ARE VERY, VERY LIKELY TO WITHDRAW OUT OF F1­ BY DECEMBER THIS YEAR, THIS WHOLE SAGA WILL TAINT THE­ BACK YELLOW BOARD OF THE RENAULT LOGO VERY DARK, AND­ DURING THESE TIMES RENAULT WON'T BE ENJOYING THIS­ KIND OF EXPOSURE. WITH FLAVIO AND SYMONDS FALLING ON­ THEIR SWORDS AND PIQUETS SHOWING MORE SPITE THAN GUTS,­ HAS MAD THE LITTLE BUNNIES IN THE RENAULT MANAGEMENT­ HOT LITTLE BUNNIES, BOILING THEIR MINDS OUT. RENAULT­ CAN'T AFFORD THIS KIND OF EXPOSURE AND I SAY EXPECT­ A DECISION FROM RENAULT SOON. WITH ALONSO GOING TO­ FERRARI AND NO ONE GOING TO RENAULT, RENAULT WILL CUT­ OFF THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THE RENAULT TEAM, DON'T­ BE SURPRISED IF RENAULT CONTINUES ON AS AN ENGINE­ SUPPLIER, TWO MORE NEW TEAMS MEANS TO MORE CUSTOMER­ TEAMS LOOKING FOR ENGINES. LISTEN MY F1 BUDDIES,­ DON'T WORRY ABOUT JUSTICE FOR RENAULT, JUSTICE IS­ ALREADY SERVED.

This is a case of FIA fudging the issue by choosing to­ penalise the individuals involved and ignoring the fact­ that those to people were ultimately in charge of­ Renault. surely, if this is how such cases are judged,­ Maclarenon this basis should have their $ 100 million­ refunded and be given a retrospective suspende­ sentence, and the FIA should puinish the individuals­ concerned by bannbing them from all forms of top class­ motorsport.

I would guess that the entire leniency was­ based on the fact that it was likely known that Renault­ would have quit the sport, if any draconian penalty was­ was made against the team. I bet Mercedes and Maclaren­ feel extremely hard done by.

SUSPENDED SENTENCE IS NOT ENOUGH.. BANNISH THIS TEAM­ AND ALL ITS DRIVERS, TOGETHER
WITH RENAULT FROM FI­ FOEVER. THEY ARE NOT WORTH KEEPING IN SUCH A­ SPORT.

BEL pa zed

SUSPENDED SENTENCE IS NOT ENOUGH.. BANNISH THIS TEAM­ AND ALL ITS DRIVERS, TOGETHER
WITH RENAULT FROM FI­ FOEVER. THEY ARE NOT WORTH KEEPING IN SUCH A­ SPORT.

BEL pa zed

SUSPENDED SENTENCE IS NOT ENOUGH.. BANNISH THIS TEAM­ AND ALL ITS DRIVERS, TOGETHER
WITH RENAULT FROM FI­ FOEVER. THEY ARE NOT WORTH KEEPING IN SUCH A­ SPORT.

BEL pa zed

SUSPENDED SENTENCE IS NOT ENOUGH.. BANNISH THIS TEAM­ AND ALL ITS DRIVERS, TOGETHER
WITH RENAULT FROM FI­ FOEVER. THEY ARE NOT WORTH KEEPING IN SUCH A­ SPORT.

BEL pa zed

So Maclaren get passed some papers by a Ferrari­ engineer and get a 50m fine and lose all thier­ points.
Renault fix results and endanger the lives of­ other drivers and get let off scot free.
What sort of­ judgement is this?
Why didnt Alonso who was the­ benificiary of the cheating and almost certainly­ complicit not get banned for life
We have seen Alonso­ cheat many times now and never get punished he must be­ Max Moseleys bum boy

MASSA lost the WDC­ because his pit crew let him leave­ the pits with his­ fuel hose still attached. I know it­ was a great laugh­ but it cost MASSA the WDC, it was­ NOTHING to do with ­ the NP jnr crash.

Barrie c: What the #### has LH got to do with Renault­ cheating. FOOL

If I were Martin Whitmarsh I can't help feeling­ that my team were penalised much harder than Renault­ have been for an incident that could have injured or­ killed someone, by comparison to stealing and lying. In­ the real world an attempted murder/manslaughter charge­ would have received a longer "stretch" than­ stealing/copyright infringement/corporate espionage­ would have, whether you admitted it or not.. I would­ also feel that the only reason Renault recieved such a­ lenient sentence was due to their perpetual threat to­ walk away from the sport. I as McLaren clearly­ wouldn't have had the option to use that­ "card" as I wouldn't have a business (not­ until Ron sorts out the car company that is!) left, and­ therefore will always be disadvantaged in all the­ decision making in F1 by the FIA, who will expect the­ likes of McLaren, Williams etc (the dedicated racing­ teams) to always be there and to have to accept their­ decisions. Unlike the part time teams of the­ manufacturers who are only there until they get bored­ with the marketing investment they are making and­ decide to focus solely on their real business, making­ consumer vehicles.

The day the manufacturers decamp­ from running F1 teams will be a good day for sport.­ They will return to being part of the supply chain to­ professional racing teams again. The rules and­ decisions for those teams will be less biased towards­ one type of team to another one, as they will all be in­ the same boat, "garagistas". Who knows maybe­ even Bernie may remember his FISA/FOCA roots and­ reposition his business to support the full time racing­ teams again.. But what of Ferrari, or should that be­ Fiat!... Now there is a question...