ClispyDuck seems to know all the facts. i guess cutting a chicane by lewis does not classify as gaining an advantage? but surely, i was watching the race in question here? you?

Well, it stands to reason that any penalty imposed on McLaren will benefit Ferrari, as they are McLaren's closest competitors. In the words of Eddie Jordan, most penalties imposed on Lewis Hamilton have been "clear-cut", and you can't really blame Ferrari for that. Whether or not Massa should have been penalized in Valencia, keep in mind that he did not hit anyone, and I can think of many occasions where cars "almost" hit each other in the pit lane, without any penalties being imposed.

The FIA screwed up in Spa, but you could also say that Lewis Hamilton brought this on himself. With his track record, he should be more careful. There is a fine line between being aggressive and careless. Lewis is right on that line.

i think we can all agree that the punishment for lewis was harsh, i personaly think that he was going to win anyway i also think he did loose his cool, but i dont agree with the way the victory was handed to a driver who admits driving like an old granny!
as for the ferrari team and the FIA there is no smoke without fire! if you are a ferrari fan think how you might feel if it was the other way around and kimi had got the 25 points deducted, i am sure you might be complaning as the maclaren fans are!

Me too Forza! Kimi IS a champion and has some class. Massa has made us look mugs this year and gave stupid opinions when he'd have made Ferrari look better if he'd just kept his mouth shut. Kimi strkes me as a team player so Massa must be a real @#$% for him not to want to help Felipe.
I'm afraid to say that the best driver is still in the lead despite all the penalties flung at him. Hamilton would have won the champoinship weeks ago if he was in a Ferrari. Our car is faster in the dry but he get's the best out of the McLaren on race days. Just look at Heiki. Brilliant in qualifying but not in the same class when racing.
I sincerely hope Hamilton wins the whole thing now (but we get the constructors). Would hate to win by less than 7 points and have this hanging over us. Justice would be for Hamiton to win.

"If for a fact that there was a wall before the last corner at Belguim, would you guys think Hamilton would be able to gain that much momentum to even reach Kimi at La Source?" - yeah but there wasn't a wall there for a fact. If you want drivers to stop using an escape road, then you need to put something there to stop them doing just that. Like a gravel trap for example. I don't think the argument of there not being a wall there is valid at all. The fact is he used the escape road because it was available and then gave it back accordingly. But by what the rules say shouldn't have attacked at the next corner. The problem is, that this rule wasn't clear until after that incident happened.

trdxrc189: what race were you watching? No advantage was needed to take Kimi. Hamilton was going faster as soon as the rain started to appear and was side by side at the chicane (hencce the problem). His mistake was that he didn't wait until it was easier to pass. Kimi was going slower and slower as time went on due to Ferarri's traction in the rain difficulties. I'm a Ferrari fan but what went on at Spa stinks, was a shambles, and makes F1 look a joke to the rest of the sporting world. The rules are not consistent and THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE! Perhaps you should read a newspaper and take in what the experts have been saying. Your comments were a real joke there....come on now. At least try to be intelligent and make reasonable comments. Yet another joker!

Why are the Mclaren fans questioning the authority of the stewards and the FIA? Is that what you want, a race with no rules whatsoever so that all the dirty driving of the drivers such as one that Lewis displayed in Monza be idolized by the younger generation? If for a fact that there was a wall before the last corner at Belguim, would you guys think Hamilton would be able to gain that much momentum to even reach Kimi at La Source?

Wolfy, get your facts right (at least that way your ignorant bigotry will SEEM less obnoxious).
The 10-6-4 point system was introduced in '91 in order to avoid '88-type scenarios (when Prost scored more than Senna but lost the WC because only the 11 best finishes counted, both of them in McLarens incidentally). The reasoning had nothing to do with Ferrari who (at least over the last 20 years, if ever) have NOT had a driver second in the WC having scored more wins than the champion.
The 10-8-6 system was introduced in 2003 precisely in order to CONTAIN Ferrari, who were running away with it, and in order to give Ferrari's RIVALS more chances at winning WCs. This system allowed Renault to win the WC twice, having scored less wins than their faster (overall) rivals.
My personal opinion is that we should go back to the old 9-6-4 system that offers a better balance of superiority to reliability.

Absolutely ridiculous decicion- which has deteriorated into an absolute farce! Let us not forget the first rule of the sport- FAIR PLAY!!! After being pushed off the corner in order to avoid collision Lewis regained the track submitted the non existant gain and went on to win fair and square- or did I imagine what was plain for all to see in the T.V. footage? What a shame when a fantastic sport such as F1 yet again shows its true colours- sadly not sportsmanship or the effort to win by an individual but an excuse of a ruling body standing behind even more obscure rules which it seems can be adapted to fit any situation as suits, hoping to pull the wool over our eyes. IMPARTIAL- NONSENCE!!! Simply a case of greedy hands in big pockets!!! Clarify the rules and stand by them! And my opinion would be exactly the same regardless of who- team or driver- had been penalised given the same circumstances.

It was expected from a board filled with n-a-z-i sympaphathisers

Absolutely ridiculous decicion- which has deteriorated into an absolute farce! Let us not forget the first rule of the sport- FAIR PLAY!!! After being pushed off the corner in order to avoid collision Lewis regained the track submitted the non existant gain and went on to win fair and square- or did I imagine what was plain for all to see in the T.V. footage? What a shame when a fantastic sport such as F1 yet again shows its true colours- sadly not sportsmanship or the effort to win by an individual but an excuse of a ruling body standing behind even more obscure rules which it seems can be adapted to fit any situation as suits, hoping to pull the wool over our eyes. IMPARTIAL- NONSENCE!!! Simply a case of greedy hands in big pockets!!! Clarify the rules and stand by them! And my opinion would be exactly the same regardless of who- team or driver- had been penalised given the same circumstances.

why is this site filled with baby cry boring comments from the kids

If the FIA were a real government, they should all be tried for treason.

Seriously, serious, this is a crime against F1 and they do not own the sport!!!

Mmmm I don't know, hopefully people after a while will forget the controversy that went on and just remember him for winning the championship. I for one don't mind if Massa wins the title, I think he has driven superbly this year, minus a few glitches. Obviously I'd prefer if Lewis won it, but I feel Kimi doesn't deserve it based on his performances this year anyway.

If the FIA are not biased towards Ferrari why do all the penalties favour them?

Back a few years ago Ferrari started to moan that the points system was unfair because one of their drivers had scored one more race win than someone else their driver came second in the championship even tho the champion outscored because of consistantly being in the points and scoring well whereas the Ferrari driver had several DNF's because of mechanical failure.

Hey presto FIA announce within a month that the points system will change to make it "farer" and help ensure that the champion is decided by wins not other points placings.

I am not in a position to declare if this bias is intentional or because of a collection of circumstances but the position stinks and so do the people who hold their heads high and say otherwise.

I so wish that Kimi was still in it. If Massa wins the title, unless it is by 8 points or more, there will always be an asterisk next to his name.

"My take on all this is that the FIA screwed up big time. Instead of that ridiculous 25-second penalty, they should have imposed a 10-spot penalty for Monza."

I totally agree Forza; not only did it make sense in light of the actual outcome of the race, but it would have aided Kimi who was the one that Lewis actually gained the advantage on.

I totally agree Forza Ferrari!

Mark, sorry, I got a bit carried away. The spygate matter is closed, and frankly, McLaren's penalty was excessive in my opinion.

My take on all this is that the FIA screwed up big time. Instead of that ridiculous 25-second penalty, they should have imposed a 10-spot penalty for Monza.

The FIA is hurting Ferrari's image as much as it is hurting the competition. I just wish that Ferrari would distance themselves from these idiots...

Forza Ferrari - I agree with some of your points, there a lot of stupid comments on here. People saying that they are no longer going watch F1 is just sad. IMO it just makes it more exciting. I am a Lewis Hamilton fan, but I was glad that he didn't get the points back. Not because I think he deserved the penalty, but because it makes this season even more intense. However Forza Ferrari, there a couple of points I don't agree with you on:

"Fact: If Lewis Hamilton was not a British driver driving for McLaren, 99% of you couldn't care less about the penalty." - True, but if the same happened to say Alonso, I'm sure there would be an uproar in Spain.

Fact: Which team was convicted of cheating and penalized for it in 2007? Hint: It starts with an "M". - That has nothing to do with this case