Jones: Webber should go to Ferrari

Sorry but i dont see Webber as any thing like a top ten­ driver. He is going to play the role of rubens­ barrichello for the rest of his time, and that said i­ would still take masa or barrichello and leave him as a­ test driver.

Cant see Webber moving if he can stay where he is. He­ may get on better with Alonso than the wee nyaff he has­ to deal with now but that doesnt mean they would make­ good team mates. Ferrari have a problem on hand in­ that Massas not getting enough points as number 2 to­ keep them in contention for the constructors title, but­ would Alonso be happy with a new young whiz kid­ nipping at his heals, I think not! For that matter Red­ Bulls in the same kind of position with Vettel if they­ lose Webber (although they dont have the Massa problem­ as Webber is still taking in enough points to keep them­ on top for now) Vettel would not be happy with a new­ whizz kid nipping his heals either, hes having enough­ problems with Webber being slightly more consistant in­ the new car and not struggling so badly as he did last­ season. Now everythings evened out better with the top­ cars Vettel is having to race rather than drive to­ victory from pole and has found himself in the position­ where his team mate and the other drivers are no longer­ half a second a lap slower any more. (Although it might­ not seem so to him at the moment it is good for Vettel­ to be in this position now while hes still young before­ he gets to the stage of tripping over his ego thinking­ he is invincable) Much that Id love to see the likes­ of De Resta or one of the other promising young drivers­ get a drive in one of the more competative cars, to­ keep their number 1 drivers happy it would be difficult­ to see Red Bull or Ferrari being one of those. At this­ stage in Vettels career Id expect Red Bull to want to­ keep Webber as Number 2, but what Ferraris options will­ be, to keep Alonso happy if they cant light some kind­ of fire under Massa, are yet to be seen. Personally Id­ be well chuffed if Webber managed to stay consistantly­ there or thereabouts keep his head and beat the lot of­ them this year (as nobody expects him to do anything).­ Being consistant will be the key to the title this year­ as so many drivers are in the poin

No, he shouldn't.

WilliamsFW14B. Show me where i have made excuses for­ Massa . As usual the idiots here started in the spring­ with the slagging off of the Ferrari during the­ unveiling. Some how that pretty well seems to be­ forgotten by the likes of people like PAUL who now have­ to make excuses for his praised McLaren / Lewis­ combination . Caught outright lying to FIA officials (­ Liegate) and what do these morons say .." you have­ to lie if your boss tells you to ". Do they not­ have morals in their village ? All i know is that the­ experts here have predicted superstar Lewis in the­ best car to beat some guy named Alponso in an UGLY­ Ferrari. So far it doesn't look too good ... now­ does it.

I bet Alonso is stronger than Vettel and Mark will face­ same problem if he goes to Ferrari.. dont forget,­ Alonso is currently driving an ASDA trolley and yet he­ manage to lead the championship

So are you lot for real? Webber has had enough chances­ in decent cars..... What, like when he stepped UP to a­ Williams that was already going down fast from its­ prior glory days, to then go to Jaguar (where he­ outraced his team mates) which was a team still­ building, to then form a new team in which he still did­ pretty well all things considered. To lose the­ championship with Red Bull in the last few races of the­ season to a rather inconsistent and erratic (remember)­ but focused and Hungry Sebastian Vettel. No disgrace­ there as Vettel proved the following year. Someone­ commented that Webber is inconsistent...... He is equal­ second in the championship and apart from one race­ finish outside the top ten has probably been the most­ consistent driver this year. Yes he is aging but bad­ choices made at bad times has been his biggest­ downfall. Not as hungry anymore but can understand why.­ Give the guy a break, he still holds his own okay and­ makes a good team driver.

sorry Alan I don't see it happening. Especially if­ RK can return to the sport. And even if that isn't­ the case Ferrari will snap up Perez before Webber. I­ really hope Mark can be the dark horse this year and­ steal the WDC.

I still don't see any ­ compassion in what you­ write. From Williams FW14B, on Tue 29 May 18:44 ­ Little book of excuses? Is that the one that tells you­­ why Massa in a Ferrari is below both Saubers,­­ Williams, and Force India in the standings? Why­ despite­ all Mclarens woes, they still lead Ferrari by­ more than­ 20 points? I'm curious to know. From­ Williams FW14B, on Tue 29 May 17:57

Cant see webber being Alfies patsy at all.

Charlie: I don't get people. Why would it be a­ "good tactic" to have 2 good drivers? Examine­ the past winners. Nearly all the champions were number­ 1 drivers. i.e. Vettel, Schumy etc. Now examine the­ ones who weren't: Senna-Prost (problems),­ Button-Hamilton (problems). Face it if you have two­ prima donnas in the team, you are asking for trouble.­ Better to have one. Now fine talking as a fan maybe two­ competitive drivers is better...but as a team boss?­ nah.. Oh and you will note that 2nd drivers do have a­ chance to win the WC and if they don't it's­ usually their own fault i.e. Irvine, Massa and Webber­ come to mind... They are "second" for a­ reason...because they are not consistent world champion­ prospects.

i can see why they would want webber he is a good­ second place driver,but it would be better to go for­ someone who could win,for to long thet have gone for a­ second rate driver and one good driver.

Williams FW14B: how long have you been watching F1? Not­ very long I would imagine. You must've missed the­ time when Massa got hit in the head at 180mph and had­ to have brain surgery. That pretty much explains why he­ had a poor start. I know you and the teams you follow­ would've dumped Massa by the road side after the­ 2nd race and replaced him, thus ruining his F1 carreer­ (he can still race for developing teams in future) but­ Ferrari are not like that. They have a thing you will­ never understand: LOYALTY. You have none. Williams have­ none. Mclaren have none (the way they treat Hamilton).­ Anything else? OH and you may want to stock up on­ ant-acids because Mclaren are just about done and­ Williams was a flash in the pan...p.s. Maldanado is­ completely mad...good luck with that. You need­ consistency to win in F1 (Montoya anyone?). Maldonado =­ Montoya 2. ;)

This is all made up rubbish by non-Italian journalists­ because anyone who gives a glance at the Italian­ newspapers will note this has not been mentioned once,­ yet is pushed by the idiots who commentate and journos.­ Rubbish. If you know how Ferrari works you will know­ they will not just dump someone who has showed loyalty­ like Massa. Badoer was different, they didn't sack­ him and gave him his chance to race which he wanted.­ Fisi too. But Massa is a real Ferrari driver and no way­ will they tear up his contract for anyone...let alone­ Webber. Ferrari is like a family, a concept British­ teams will never understand (Hamilton case in point).­ Ferrari will keep Massa and then probably Perez will­ take his seat for next year. Webber....not even on the­ radar.

Williams FW14B - simple. Because Massa has had a­ shocking start to the season.

Little book of excuses? Is that the one that tells you­ why Massa in a Ferrari is below both Saubers,­ Williams, and Force India in the standings? Why despite­ all Mclarens woes, they still lead Ferrari by more than­ 20 points? I'm curious to know.

Well if Lewis wants a move to Redbull because of­ McLaren's pit lane disasters Jenson might end up­ with Webber's tail light to follow.

I'm surprised that PAUL is even able to show his­ face here.. after all , a second rate driver to Lewis­ in an UGLY car is beating the worlds best driver in the­ best car . Go figure. Don't sweat .. PAUL will­ just dig into his little book of excuses.

Webber with Ferrari and Alponso is like a marriage made­ in hell!! First, I don't think Alponso can cope­ let alone understand Webber's Aussie humour and­ neither can Webber understand Alponso's humour or­ the 'bull like a china shop' driving style of ­ Alponso!! But, one thing for sure, both drivers will­ keep the fans guessing as to who will be the Number One­ driver!! I fail to see how Webber bowing down to­ Alponso, his driving style or his demanding ways. The­ only reason Webber would go to Ferrari is for the love­ of money rather than the love of Ferrari or for the­ love of his driving partner!!

Anyways enough of the Hamilton bashing from me today.­ Webber has had enough chances in a top car to prove his­ worth. Jason C is right. The race was over at the first­ corner. It was the only exciting bit of the whole­ procession. The only one who had a bit of a go at­ overtaking was Perez. Are Red Bull afraid to put some­ new young blood in and find that they are as good as­ Vettel? Methinks so.

kmf - true indeed. Even at that, if not for Hungary and­ Singapore Massa would still have won. I was sad about­ the outcome as a Ferrari fan but these things happen in­ F1 and we have to live with it and enjoy it no matter­ what!