Well, who'd've thunk it? As we go into the third round of group stage fixtures in the Champions League (or, to coin UEFA-speak, Matchday Three, even though it lasts for two days), and both Manchester United and Manchester City are yet to post their first wins.
The Two Manchester Clubs are both unbeaten domestically this season as they cut swathes through the rest of the poor unfortunates that inhabit the Premier League - which would soon become a closed shop if some greedy, deluded chairmen had their way. However, the two neighbours have just three points between them in Europe so far, and both lie third in their respective groups.
With Sunday's league meeting between the two at Old Trafford very much on the horizon, both sides will want to enter the biggest Manchester derby in years on a high.
United travel to Bucharest to face Otelul Galati. It may be easy to scoff at the thought of Champions League debutants from Romania presenting any kind of challenge to the English champions and last season's finalists, especially when their name sounds like an overpriced hot beverage. However, lest we forget CFR Cluj's first year in the competition three years ago, when they shocked Roma by beating them 2-1 in Italy, as well as holding Chelsea to a 0-0 draw at the Dr Constantin Radulescu Stadium.
Unlike Cluj, Otelul (translated as "Steel") have moved from their usual base near the banks of the River Danube to the national stadium in the capital, where they only lost 1-0 to a pretty handy Benfica side last time out.
It is perhaps a mark of how seriously Alex Ferguson is taking this game that he has already confirmed Wayne Rooney will play this evening, having left the striker on the bench - alongside Javier Hernandez, Nani and Anderson - for Saturday's draw at Anfield after deciding his three-match ban for England left him too "devastated" to start.
"He'll be playing tomorrow," Ferguson said. "When the initial news came through it was a definite blow for him. He didn't expect that. None of us did.
"It was a silly action but it wasn't seriously dangerous. When he realised getting a three-match ban meant missing all the games for England and might not be involved at all, it is not easy to qualify in major championships, that resonated in Wayne's mind.
"But actually, when he came on he was quite bubbly. He was full of energy and enthusiasm.
"He was desperate to get on, which is good. When he was sat watching the game he probably said, 'Christ I could be out there'."
The hope for Fergie is that Rooney's energy and enthusiasm can help shake any complacency out of his team for this game. A third draw in a row would make things rather uncomfortable for United.
As for City, they host Spanish side Villarreal at Eastlands tonight in another clash between a group's bottom two teams.
UEFA's seeding process may preclude a true 'Group of Death' ever happening in the Champions League, but City's rapid rise has contributed to them landing in 'The Toughest Group on Paper', and things have not gone well so far.
Their opening night draw at home to Napoli was followed by THAT defeat at Bayern Munich. That's right, it was just three short weeks ago that Carlos Tevez was named on the City bench at the Allianz Arena and, for reasons yet to be confirmed, stayed there all evening and watched his team 2-0. It feels like so much longer. Tevez is now reportedly a target for former club Boca Juniors.
However, they are presented with a chance to get their campaign on track against a Villarreal side that is struggling at the moment.
Also known as the Yellow Submarine, Villarreal have a nickname which is up there with the Benin national team (Squirrels) or Japan's rugby side (Cherry Blossoms) as one of the least fearsome in world sport.
Manager Juan Carlos Garrido used to be a football reporter before he became a professional coach, but after leading Villarreal to fourth in the league and the Europa League semi-finals last season, just one win so far from his last nine games may make him yearn for a place back in his ivory tower.
That sharp downturn is accounted for in no small part by the loss of winger Santi Cazorla to big-spending Malaga and World cup-winning defender Joan Capdevila to Benfica, but they still have enough quality with the likes of Giuseppe Rossi and the highly-rated Jonathan de Guzman to pose a threat.
"Villarreal are a good team," manager Roberto Mancini said. "They are used to playing Champions League, they have done so many times in the past 10 years. It will be hard because they play football very well. But for us I don't think it is as important to play well or not well - it is important we win this game. I think if we win this game I think we can also win the group."
Mind you, City can boast a pretty hefty selection of attacking talent themselves. Sergio Aguero should be fit after recovering from injury, Edin Dzeko and Samir Nasri were left on the bench for the weekend's 4-1 win over Aston Villa while Mancini brought David Silva on for the final quarter of that game for no discernable reason, just because he could.
The situation is slightly more imperative for City. While United sealing qualification early would allow then to rest key players for the final group game ahead of the busy Christmas calendar, City host Bayern in Matchday Six, right before back-to-back league games against Chelsea and Arsenal.
Victories for both teams would keep their respective campaigns on an even keel. Anything less and they run the risk of creating problems for themselves further down the line.
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COMING UP: Matchday Three of the Champions League group stage gets underway, and we'll have live coverage of every game. CSKA Moscow v Trabzonspor kicks things off at 17:00 before Manchester City v Villarreal, Napoli v Bayern Munich, Lille v Internazionale, Basel v Benfica, Otelul Galati v Manchester United, Dinamo Zagreb v Ajax and Real Madrid v Lyon all begin at 19:45.