It was merely whispered during the Six Nations, but after another abject failure by England Oval Talk believes it is time to seriously consider the future of manager Martin Johnson.
England were appalling in Perth - quite dreadful. Yes, they fought back from 14-0 down to make a game of it on the scoreboard, and yes they dominated the Wallabies' powder-puff front row, but in all other areas they were shocking.
The time has come for the RFU to get tough on Johnson and his coaching team and spell out what they need to achieve from the remainder of the summer tour in order for them to keep their jobs.
Forget the fact that Johnson led England to a World Cup triumph in 2003 and forget the fact that the 2011 tournament is a mere 15 months away; England need to improve markedly over the next two weeks or it will be time for a change at the top.
OT cannot think of any other English sport in which the chiefs would allow a coaching set-up to stumble along so unsuccessfully. England will have no chance in New Zealand next year unless changes are made to the coaching set-up, and that includes Johnson.
It's no use blaming the coaches alone. Johnson is the man in charge, he makes the big decisions, picks the team and on his broad shoulders the responsibility lies.
Decent players, players who perform markedly better for their clubs week-in week-out, were for some reason unable to show in Perth any of the talent and skills which got them chosen for their country in the first place.
And this seems to be a constant theme under Johnson. His players again appeared burdened, straight-jacketed by heaven knows what, and had they not been facing a Wallabies team missing eight key players - including their entire front row - they would have been obliterated. No doubt about it.
It was England's 14th defeat in 22 games under Johnson, but more startling than that statistic is more blatant evidence that the 2003 World Cup winners and 2007 finalists have made zero progress in that time.
What is abundantly clear is that Johnson and his coaches are unable to impart any coherent game plan or tactical thinking on a group of individuals who we all know are much better than the sum of their parts.
Coaches John Wells, Mike Ford, Jon Callard and Brian Smith somehow are making England a far worse team than they were under former manager Brian Ashton and his predecessor Andy Robinson.
Ashton led England to a World Cup final, but like Robinson he was badly treated when jettisoned by the RFU, and this despite both having a superior record to Johnson.
Ashton had 12 wins after 22 games and Robinson nine, and while it is highly unlikely from two such proud Englishman, you could excuse them both the odd moment of schadenfreude.
Some will argue that changing manager and coaches more than midway through a World Cup cycle would seriously affect a team's chances in New Zealand next year.
That may be so if England appeared to have any chance of matching their success in the previous two tournaments. On the evidence of the last two years that is not the case.
For that reason the clock has to be ticking on Johnson's time in charge.
While England succumbed to yet another loss to a Southern Hemisphere side, their former head coach and manager Andy Robinson saw his Scotland team inflict a first ever Test defeat over Argentina in the caldron that is Tucaman.
Despite the famous win, Robinson was quick to point out that Scotland are far from the finished article; they are still struggling to cross the whitewash while their final Six Nations position was hardly one to write home about, despite some much-improved performances.
And yet Scotland have now defeated Australia at Murrayfield, Ireland in Dublin and the Pumas away since Robinson took charge last summer.
If England are to make changes to their management they could do worse than persuade the former Bath and England flanker to return south of the border - though OT realises the chances of that happening are even more unlikely than a win for England in Sydney next weekend.
Quote of the week: "I'm sick and tired of being on the wrong end of results, sick and tired of being in a review meeting and having to learn more lessons." England number eight Nick Easter vents his frustration after the Perth debacle.