Some Minor Transfers
Wed Jul 16 07:38PM
So, we're still all waiting on some big news to break. Barry? Xavi? BFDB? RSC? K2? Berbs? RKeene? Lamps? Drogboy? That CRon fellow? (lots of our "nickname" guys are in the middle of the speculation this summer, wonder why that is). Looks like Hleb is done but we really already knew that the minute Nasri was signed. The common wisdom goes that once one domino falls, more will quickly follow but I'm not sure to what extent I believe that. I'm sure there are little transfer eco-systems that will play out but I don't think one domino will cause all the others to fall. If that were true, you'd think things would have been revved up as key players Ronaldinho and Milan would have been that tipping point when they agreed. That should leave Barca as the only suitor for K2 and plenty of money available to go after a major acquisition. But it certainly doesn't feel like Hleb is that major acquisition.
Anyway, while we're waiting for something bigger to happen, lets get up to date on the things that have happened...
Impact
Kapo to Wigan
In the Real World - I like this move for Wigan, they're putting together a reasonably talented attacking team that belies their reputation as dull mudders who do no more than grind out wins. I'm not sure how all the pieces fit together between Koumas, RTaylor, Kapo, Palacios, Valencia, Heskey, Camara, King, and Sibierski but I like the idea of a low-to-mid table team collecting as many quality parts as possible. When he was healthy last season, he did some good work for Birmingham. Not the difference between relegation and staying up but a good, solid veteran attacking presence that should help elevate the Latics. Now if only they could get an out-and-out striker who can score consistently.
In the Fantasy World - Obviously, this depends on playing time. When healthy and getting PT, he's a 6-7 point/match player. This isn't going to make him a mainstay but if he's relatively cheap, then he's not a bad option to keep in mind if the match-up is a good one.
Zamora and Pantsil to Fulham
In the Real World - apparently, replacing Brian McBride isn't going to be easy. Zamora is a bit of a puzzle having shown great results from time-to-time but then going completely dark at other times. He'll certainly get his chance to make an impact, whether he can live up to his transfer fee remains to be seen. As for Pantsil, don't Fulham already have a bunch of wing defenders who can play a couple positions adequately but none well enough to be established starters in the Prem? Hard to see how adding another is of any benefit to the squad.
In the Fantasy World - Zamora could be interesting. Fulham have a great match-up out of the gate against Hull and we know Bobby Z is capable of starting off the season with a bang. He starts out cheap at 6.25 so depending on what big names do or don't arrive from foreign shores, he might be in the mix in week 1. We'll see how it goes after that. Hard to see Pantsil amounting to much of a fantasy player unless he has another level that we haven't seen yet.
Boetang to Hull
In the Real World - Nice piece for the promoted team that seems most motivated to stay up. Boetang is a solid central midfielder and should help ensure that Hull are at least competitive. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of work to do but definitely a nice addition.
In the Fantasy World - Boetang has never been much of a fantasy player and the chances of him becoming so at a later age for a newly promoted club are pretty remote.
Cech (no, not that one) to WBA
In the Real World - Never a bad idea to acquire a wing defender who can get forward into the attack. Given the lack of high quality left backs in the world, getting an experienced talent who can even score the occasional goal is a great get for a newly promoted club. It'll be a step up from the Portugese league to the Prem but its certainly been done before and 25 years old seems about the right time to give it a shot. Given the relatively low price this has to be viewed as great work.
In the Fantasy World - Worth keeping an eye on. Wing backs on newly promoted teams have the potential to deliver excellent value given low initial prices and lots of opportunity for phantom points. I'm not saying he WILL be a great fantasy player, just that its worth keeping an eye on him for a week or two and seeing how he is integrated into the attack.
Until we hear more from the transfer market, that's all.
Just to keep it in mind, the +10 team is still...Bosingwa, Modric with an eye being kept on Nasri and the Liverpool defenders, Deco, and Jo. Would be nice to have more options than that soon.
Do you only count guys new to the league in your +10 considerations? Because at current prices, I'd say Bale and Sidwell(if he definitely has a starting gig) are +10 candidates. I may just leave Bale and Bosingwa sitting there in my defense most of the year, barring really long term injury. Worked ok for me with Sagna for much of last year. In the latter case, it's hard to beat a ~3.50 midfielder who does get forward and get SOTs and the occasional goal or assist. He'll almost always get you your 3.50 back, and often get you more than that, and then you can afford CRon, BFAY, et al.
From jddunn13 on Wed Jul 16 09:09PMHave you two started a "Beat the Bloggers" group yet?
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From terrydog_80 on Wed Jul 16 10:30PMRE
1) The +10 actually means 1 spot has been filled so you only need to look for 10 more. in your case it would be Bale,Sidwell +9From terrydog_80 on Wed Jul 16 10:32PMLOL, his name is Boateng, not Boetang. Other than that, excellent read.
From mboots on Wed Jul 16 11:38PMjust saw that bolton vs stoke ........well i know that we dont bet on or against bolton, unless when we do but it is STOKE CITY...does elmander worth a shot?anyone?
From hostage_world on Thu Jul 17 04:33AMAn interesting one is where are robiniho and Adriano going to go? Robinho has expressed his desire to move to chelsea! what do you think of that? Will he preform?... Also they are saying he is worth $96 million (U.S)... i mean come on. But i guess its not a problem for chelsea. p.s im a Chelsea supporter!
From juicyjamie91 on Thu Jul 17 07:38AMelmander i think would be worth a pick providing yahoo add him before the season starts!
From petegoddard11996655 on Thu Jul 17 10:40AMI thought +10 meant players who were likely to average 10 points a week all season.
From ginger_management on Thu Jul 17 11:08AMI thought that +10 meant players who were likely to average ten points per week all season.
Why would it mean "1 spot has been filled so you only need to look for 10 more." if Neal is talking about a +10 team?
From ginger_management on Thu Jul 17 11:12AMginger, it means this player occupies a slot permanantly, +10 others to make up the rest of your team. for a lot of people last year (not me by the way) Ronaldo was a +10 player, their team always consisted of ronaldo +10 others.
From petegoddard11996655 on Thu Jul 17 01:21PMJust wondering if we'd be seeing anything on players with potential fantasy value from the 3 promoted clubs? And i'm with you, pete, on the +10...hopefully lena does another "Cron free zone" group for those of us who like complicating our yff by not using the scoring machine.
From slatsfeldo25 on Thu Jul 17 04:52PMNo, I'm pretty sure +10 (in the context of the blog) refers to the amount a players value has increased over the purchase price. So a player new to the premiership will be valued initially about 5-6 units, and may increase to the 15-16 unit range in about 8 weeks. Making him "+10" A typical post on these boards: "I have Torres +10, but he's out for 3 weeks. Is it worth it to drop him?"
From jamesdowney on Thu Jul 17 09:11PMOk ... so clearly there are different interpretations on the +10... but 1 thing I'm sure it's not is the increase in player value. and the one thing I'm sure it is, is that player occupies a permanent spot in the team
From terrydog_80 on Thu Jul 17 10:20PMi've always interpreted as jamesdowney does...a player you get on the cheap and his value rises so that you have him at +10 or something.
From jyah13 on Thu Jul 17 10:24PMI've also interpreted it as 13 and 15 have. Else why would the +10 team referred to in the article only consist of EPL newcomers? Furthermore, to achieve that kind of increase in value you would almost have to hold the player constantly.
From da_gordon on Fri Jul 18 02:23AM(16) +10 only refers to newcomers because they come into the game with artificially low prices, so get em while they are cheap, new d's tend to cost 5.?, new mids 6.? and new strikers 6/7.?. +10 has nothing to do with price, I had torres at 8 last year and he went up to 24, i wouldnt refer to him as a +16, it would be a coincidence if all the good players went up by 10 units so they were all referred to as +10s! It means "this is 1 slot in the team sorted, now to fill the other 10. This player +10!
From petegoddard11996655 on Fri Jul 18 09:37AM(17) Well said Pete, you are definately correct, now let's draw a line under this topic.
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From iansanderson197 on Fri Jul 18 10:14AMI think we should keep this topic open till our 2 wise men clarify the situation!
I agree with 13, 15 and 16 in that it's a player you get on the cheap who rises considerably in price (+10 referring to an average, and not exact, price increase).
Pete you contradict yourself in the same sentence: quote: "+10 only refers to newcomers because they come into the game with artificially low prices .... +10 has nothing to do with price" It has everything to do with price! And I don't think it strictly applies to newcomers ... Gareth Bale is a potential +10 this season and Jummy was a +10 when he came back from long term injury last season.
A final thought, how can it be +10 if you have more than one player? Neal refers to the +10 team as containing Boswinga, Modric, Nasri, Deco and Jo. With all these players wouldn't it be a +6 team?!
From wbfc16s on Fri Jul 18 03:21PMyou goons
+10 refers to price
if you read his post clearly youd understand this. here is what he says... "Just to keep it in mind, the +10 team is still...Bosingwa, Modric with an eye being kept on Nasri and the Liverpool defenders, Deco, and Jo. Would be nice to have more options than that soon."
Now why would he say +10 if he is keeping 2 of the new guys for sure? That would be +9 for the morons here.
+10 refers to price meaning their price will increase quick.
From dr_fager68 on Fri Jul 18 03:53PMThis string reads like a Monty Python movie. But I can't resist. Surely +10 means - one position is sorted so now lets find the other 10...
From alexdecouto on Fri Jul 18 06:27PM(19) and (20) you are both wrong, (20) don't call people morons who know much more than you, you obviously base your opinion on 1 blogger posting, wheras i base mine on playing and reading the blog for 4 years, YOU CRETIN!!!!!!!!!!! (21) you are spot on but no doubt the knucle dragger @(20) will disagree.
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From true.jatt on Sat Jul 19 01:44PMAs I read it...The +10 Team would consist of of players capable of scoring you 10+ points. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong but it reads better to me thinking in that context. As with the Nasri post prior to this when its mentioned that "If he's a guaranteed starter due to injuries (Rosicky, etc.) then he's +10 material when he's cheap."
From alanhansan717 on Sat Jul 19 01:45PMuntil neil or jeremy weigh in on the topic, i'm sticking with pete(22) & (21)...as a faithful subscriber to this blog for the past 3 seasons i have to say that's what they mean by +10
From slatsfeldo25 on Sat Jul 19 06:42PMi don't really know why im bothering to post on here, i already stated repeatedly what +10 means but people dont believe me, if it means the player scores on average more than 10 then surely it would be 10+? It means 1 slot sorted, 10 to fill, this player +10 others, doesnt matter how many +10's you have, applies to 'em all, this player +10 others. Thats is what it means, not my opinion but fact, as the bloggers have written numerous times over the years.
From petegoddard11996655 on Mon Jul 21 02:18PMVilla is going to Real madrid or Liverpool i hope its liverpool
And he is my Big CosFrom lawadj on Mon Jul 21 05:50PMPete, since the 'bloggers have written numerous times over the years,' why not give a URL or two so we can read it from an authoritative source, not some blog n@zi, as you come off as. One thing is for sure, the issue is ambiguous and until one of the official blogger's settles it or you produce a link where THEY explain it, the question remains unresolved to me. Perhaps you are correct, perhaps not, rather than convince me with your whining posts, you have created in me a desire to see you proven wrong so I can enjoy a bit of schadenfreude.
Jeremy, Neal? Could one of you please put us out of our misery?
From gonzomd on Tue Jul 22 12:09AMSpeaking as someone else who's played this game for 5+ years, Petegoddard is right. +10 refers to if you have that player, you can easily build a team around him. I don't have the exact URL because the site archives don't go back that far, but Neal & Jeremy started using "+10" in the summer of '06, taking it from the Adidas World Cup ad campaign (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkm86AfI48I ). Shevchenko & Ballack were new to the EPL that year, therefore extremely cheap given their pedigree, and were good pieces to build a team around. Neal & Jeremy, how about some input?
From scottk964 on Tue Jul 22 06:32PMscottk964 has it pretty much spot on. +10 means that you should select that player +10 others for your team. It isn't dependent on price, or newness to the league though those are factors. If CRon were healthy, he'd be +10. Nasri, when posted, will be +10. There shouldn't be any argument about a +10 player - though of course there always will be, which is a good thing. If you have two +10 players, you can say cron & nasri +9. But don't get hung up on the math. *Hope this helps.
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