Tuesday December 4, 2012 Group Stage: Group B Finished Stadio Karaiskaki

Olympiacos 2 - 1 Arsenal

  • Maniatis 64’
  • Mitroglou 73’
  • Rosický 38’

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    Arsenal were denied top spot in Champions League Group B as Olympiacos came from behind to win 2-1 at the Stadio Karaiskaki. More

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    Time:90'
    • Olympiacos
    • Arsenal
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    • - The final table and results. Group B details
    • 90+2' All over - Arsenal finish second in Group B. Olympiacos will play in the Europa League, but we already knew that.
    • 90' Two minutes to be added on.
    • 89' Arsenal on the ball but not finding space in the final third.
    • 88' Szczesny with a simple claim from a cross from captain Torossidis.
    • 87' Frustrating for Arsenal as they seek to attack - but there is not enough time to find two goals, you feel.
    • 85' Ramsey fouls Greco as he chases a ball he had just lost.
    • 83' Arsenal change: Martin Angha on for Meade.
    • 82' Olympiacos change: Ariel Ibagaza, once of Atlético Madrid and Villarreal, on for Djebbour.
    • 81' Another corner follows but Ramsey's kick is easily dealt with. Arsenal then have to quell a counter.
    • 80' Arshavin on the edge of the box, his shot blocked by Manolas to win a corner. No options on the bench for Wenger with all those kids.
    • 78' Djebbour is top of the Greek scoring charts on eight goals, with Mitroglou on four. Top scorers
    • 77' Gervinho pushed over by Manolas as they race for the ball, but ref Alberto Undiano Mallenco isn't having any of it and gives a goal-kick.
    • 75' Machado sends in a low cross that Szczesny deals with.
    • 73' GOAL FOR OLYMPIACOS! 2-1 TO THEM! The electric Mitroglou turns away on the corner of the box and bends a lovely strike into the far bottom corner! Four goals from six matches in this season's competition for him.
    • 72' Olympiacos change: Kostas Mitroglou on for Abdoun. Great beard.
    • 70' Machado bends a cross to the far post where Djebbour has left Jenkinson for dead and must surely score - but directs his diving header wide! Arsenal living dangerously.
    • 69' Well won by 5'3" Meade on the flank. He usually plays as a winger...
    • 68' Europa League-bound Olympiacos then currently denying Arsenal top spot in the group.
    • 67' Machado bends a free-kick over the wall and towards the bottom corner, saved and held by Szczesny. Squillaci was booked for the foul on Djebbour that led to it.
    • 65' Szczesny furious - he is claiming he didn't touch the ball when that previous header went wide and a corner was given.
    • 64' GOAL FOR OLYMPIACOS! 1-1! Maniatis with a finish from close range after Ramsey chests the aerial ball down.
    • 64' Machado with a downward header from 12 yards that Szczesny flies across to turn around the post. That was slow motion...
    • 63' Hectic at the moment in this match. Either side could score.
    • 61' Good work by Chamakh and Arshavin will take aim from inside the box on the right as the ball bounces across him... he fires towards the top corner and only a great save from Carroll keeps him out.
    • 61' Montpellier have scored! 1-1 and the Gunners on target to finish top once more. Montpellier v Schalke LIVE
    • 60' Olympiacos change: David Fuster on for Fejsa.
    • 60' Abdoun with a quality reverse pass for Fejsa inside the box on the left and his shot with the outside of his foot is into the side-netting. Should have done better.
    • 59' Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has been quiet, blocked off the ball by Chamakh as he looks to cross halfway!
    • 57' As Jack Bauer would say, Goddam it! Schalke have just scored and are now top of the 'live' table.
    • 56' Still no goals in the other game, so Arsenal on course to finish top of Group B. Montpellier v Schalke LIVE
    • 55' Santi Cazorla and Laurent Koscielny were within a booking of a ban, which is a main reason why they were left at home. Squillaci has played quite well in the latter's place while Rosicky did okay in his creative spot - and took his goal very well.
    • 54' Arsenal break down the right and Chamakh bends a high cross to the far side of the box where Arshavin arrives to head over the bar. A bit high for him.
    • 53' Coquelin in too quickly as Greco turns and is booked. The Italian midfielder makes a meal of it though.
    • 52' Chamakh plays a one-two with Arshavin but hs next pass for Gervinho is poorly directed and loses Arsenal the ball.
    • 51' Fejsa booked for a foul on Gervinho. Ramsey's free-kick from 50 yards out is into the small wall. Poor.
    • 50' Chamakh connects with a header but it does not unduly trouble Carroll.
    • 49' Wenger is taking charge of his 150th Champions League fixture today - lets hope he is cheered up a bit after Saturday's loss to Swansea. Arsenal 0-2 Swansea
    • 47' Ramsey takes a quick free-kick to the left flank where Arshavin has found space. He controls and lobs in a cross that causes problems for Carroll, but the keeper wins a free-kick off Chamkh.
    • 47' Arshavin, playing off the strikers, lifts a cross into the box which is cleared.
    • 46' Under way in the second period, with the red and white stripes of Olympiacos now attacking the goal to our left.
    • - Half-time change for Arsenal: Andrey Arshavin on for Rosicky.
    • 45' Torossidis penalised for a high foot on Jenkinson - they were doing exactly the same thing - and soon after the whistle sounds to bring the half to a close with the score 1-0 to Arsenal.
    • 44' Olympiacos playing in the away half but Arsenal have defended well. Greco upset that he is not given a free-kick for a blatant pull.
    • 42' Schalke, who have missed an absolute sitter on 24 minutes, still 0-0 at Montpellier so Arsenal will top the group if everything stays as it is. Montpellier v Schalke LIVE
    • 41' Shocking pass from Francis Coquelin straight out of play when Gervinho wanted it on the left flank.
    • 39' Danger for Arsenal as a cross comes in from the right byline from Machado but they scramble it away.
    • 38' GOAL ARSENAL! 1-0 TO THEM! Gervinho looks set to play a low cross in but checks back and the low ball towards the edge of the box is smashed into the far corner by the arriving Rosicky.
    • 37' Well played by Meade as a home man blatantly obstructs him and he switches the play to the right.
    • 36' Arsenal quell the danger from a left-sided home attack and counter at pace. Gervinho has Chamakh racing through on the right but messes it up!
    • 35' Olympiacos won 2-1 here over Platanias at the weekend. Results and fixtures
    • 34' Chamakh wastes possession on a promising counter and back will come the Greek side... Abdoun plays a low one across the six-yard box but there is no one supporting. It wasn't that far past the far post...
    • 33' Ramsey on the ball in the final third and should look for Gervinho, but he loses it.
    • 32' Olympiacos have been the more dangerous side. Here Diakite, who spent six years at Nice, is forced to turn back after attacking the byline.
    • 31' Djebbour with a chipped pass which runs through to Szczesny.
    • 30' Jernade Meade has bene chasing shadows so far at left-back for Arsenal, but their defence has held firm for now and this is excellent experience for him.
    • 29' Rosicky in with his studs up on Ljubomir Fejsa, but it wasn't malicious. Free-kick to be taken by Carroll.
    • 28' Has Wenger dropped a clanger by leaving so many senior players at home? And does finishing top really matter? TWEET ME!
    • 27' The teams are in the same UEFA Champions League group for the third time in four seasons, and each of the previous five fixtures has been won by the home side. A year ago Olympiacos took a 2-0 lead through Djebbour and David Fuster and although Yossi Benayoun pulled one back, François Modesto made the final score 3-1.
    • 26' Abdoun, once of Manchester City, twists and turns his way past several away midfielders and defenders before bending a pass to the left side of the box and Torossidis with the outside of his right foot... the shot that follows is high and wide.
    • 24' Abdoun turns inside to fire for goal from the left, with Szczesny turning the ball behind for a corner. He takes it himself and Djebbour peels out to head down - held by the keeper.
    • 23' Gervinho looking to instigate an attack but Arsenal's passing intricacies again come to nothing.
    • 22' Szczesny dives out to punch clear the latest Olympiacos cross.
    • 21' Torossidis rises at the back post to head down towards goal and the ball is beaten away at the foot of the post by Szczesny!
    • 20' Paulo Machado skips away on the right and looks to cross from level with the penalty area. Vermaelen makes the block - corner.
    • 19' Wenger has won 68 of his 149 UEFA Champions League matches as a coach, drawing 39 and losing 42. Only Sir Alex Ferguson has overseen more games in the competition (187).
    • 17' Olympiacos fail to deal with a corner and the ball drops kindly for Aaron Ramsey who will surely put this away... he falls over the ball! Poor from the Wales captain. He tries to keep it in play on the byline, but Arsenal's attack is over.
    • 17' The first goal of the night has gone in - and it has been scored by Real Madrid. Latest scores and scorers
    • 16' One-touch passing from Arsenal ends with Chamakh trying an ill-advised backheel for Gervinho, losing possession.
    • 15' Free-kick in a dangerous position for the hosts. Torossidis sends it in... Vermaelen with a crucial first header and Chamakh heads away from the edge of the box.
    • 13' Chamakh offside as the Gunners show counter-attacking promise.
    • 11' Djamel Abdoun played in behind on the left for Olympiacos and pulls back for Rafik Djebbour who looks to dart in front of Thomas Vermaelen at the near post - but the Arsenal captain makes a brilliant challenge to keep him out.
    • 10' Poor corner headed away at the near post. In their matchday two meeting, Arsenal went in front through Gervinho and, though Kostas Mitroglou headed the equaliser, second-half goals from Lukas Podolski and substitute Aaron Ramsey gave Arsenal the points.
    • 9' Squillaci tracking back and looks to head back to his keeper, but it is some way from the post and Szczesny cannot get there. Corner.
    • 7' Immediate low cross from the right for Arsenal from Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain finds no one.
    • 7' Quick counter and Gervinho looks to play in Chamakh. but the Moroccan loses his footing at the last moment under pressure from a defender.
    • 7' Abdoun with a strike from distance that Szczesny saves and holds at his far post.
    • 6' Vassilis Torossidis with a difficult low ball from the left, but Sebastien Squillaci is there to defend coolly.
    • 5' Bit of ping pong in midfield in the early stages, mostly in the Arsenal half. Wojciech Szczesny happy to calm things down with a goal-kick.
    • 4' Drissa Diakite with a long ball forward for Leandro Greco, but he is offside.
    • 3' The ground isn't full, but the Greeks are generating a great atmosphere as always.
    • 2' Marouane Chamakh challenges for a ball which allows it to run for Gervinho. He plays in Tomas Rosicky on the left but his low ball is cleared as far as the Ivorian on the edge of the box... his left-footed shot is sliced wide of the near post.
    • 1' Off we go, with Arsenal kicking from right to left in blue.
    • 19:40 The teams emerge. Has Wenger dropped a clanger by leaving so many senior players at home? And does finishing top really matter? LET ME KNOW ON TWITTER!
    • 19:35 Leonardo Jardim: "Our first goal is to win and get in the pool of strong teams in the Europa League. The mere fact that we are playing a Champions League match is incentive enough."
    • 19:30 Arsene Wenger: "This game comes at a good time. We have less pressure, as we are already through to the last 16 and we want to finish well and top of our group. It also gives us the opportunity to see players who have had less time on the pitch." Wenger: Arsenal have problems
    • 19:25 The Gunners have kept just one clean sheet in their last 22 Champions League matches away from home and won just seven of their last 29 on the road (W7 D7 L15). The Greek side have drawn just one of their last 32 European matches excluding qualifiers (W15 D1 L16).
    • 19:20 Arsenal have played away at Olympiacos twice before, both times on matchday six - and lost both games. Arsenal team page
    • 19:15 Wenger is set for a huge January spending spree in a desperate attempt to halt Arsenal's slide, according to Tuesday's papers. Arsenal set for January spending spree
    • 19:12 The home fans greet their players with a roar when they traipse on to the pitch. Arsenal, of course, are booed...
    • 19:10 Olympiacos have lost a total of three games this season are top of their domestic table. Arsenal have amassed their lowest points total at this stage of the season during Wenger's reign and lie in 10th in the Premier League. Champions League preview videos
    • 19:05 Arsenal have qualified for the last 16 for 13 seasons in a row; only Real Madrid have managed a longer run in the history of the competition (16).
    • 19:00 If Arsenal win and Schalke do not beat Montpellier, the Gunners will win the group. If Arsenal do not win, or if Schalke win their match, the Gunners will finish second in the pool. Olympiacos will play in the Europa League in the New Year. Group B details
    • 18:54 Northern Ireland international Roy Carroll - who was between the posts for Manchester United when Arsenal defeated the Red Devils in 2005 for their last piece of silverware - starts in goal for Olympiacos who are without Charalambos Lykogiannis (ankle) while fellow left-sided player José Holebas is suspended and centre-half Avraam Papadopoulos (knee) remains absent. Utility player François Modesto is rested while Paulo Machado is back in the centre of midfield after missing the weekend game.
    • 18:51 Arsene Wenger is giving some fringe players a start - and look at that bench! - while Jack Wilshere, Santi Cazorla, Mikel Arteta, Theo Walcott and Lukas Podolski have been spared the trip to Athens despite Arsenal looking to secure top spot in the group.
    • 18:49 TEAMS: Olympiacos: Carroll, Maniatis, Machado, Conteras, Manolas, Torossidis, Fejsa, Diakité, Greco, Abdoun, Djebbour. Subs: Megyeri, Ibagaza, Fetfatzidis, Fuster, Siovas, Pantelić, Mitroglou. /// Arsenal: Szczęsny, Vermaelen, Squillaci, Jenkinson, Rosický, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Coquelin, Meade, Gervinho, Chamakh. Subs: Shea, Angha, Hajrovic, Monteiro, Arshavin, Ansah, Akpom.
    • 18:45 Welcome to live text commentary of the Champions League Group B match between Olympiacos and Arsenal at the Stadio Karaiskaki.

  • Summary

    • 73' GOAL FOR OLYMPIACOS! 2-1 TO THEM! The electric Mitroglou turns away on the corner of the box and bends a lovely strike into the far bottom corner! Four goals from six matches in this season's competition for him.
    • 70' Machado bends a cross to the far post where Djebbour has left Jenkinson for dead and must surely score - but directs his diving header wide! Arsenal living dangerously.
    • 64' GOAL FOR OLYMPIACOS! 1-1! Maniatis with a finish from close range after Ramsey chests the aerial ball down.
    • 61' Good work by Chamakh and Arshavin will take aim from inside the box on the right as the ball bounces across him... he fires towards the top corner and only a great save from Carroll keeps him out.
    • 38' GOAL ARSENAL! 1-0 TO THEM! Gervinho looks set to play a low cross in but checks back and the low ball towards the edge of the box is smashed into the far corner by the arriving Rosicky.
    • 36' Arsenal quell the danger from a left-sided home attack and counter at pace. Gervinho has Chamakh racing through on the right but messes it up!
    • 26' Abdoun, once of Manchester City, twists and turns his way past several away midfielders and defenders before bending a pass to the left side of the box and Torossidis with the outside of his right foot... the shot that follows is high and wide.
    • 21' Torossidis rises at the back post to head down towards goal and the ball is beaten away at the foot of the post by Szczesny!
    • 17' Olympiacos fail to deal with a corner and the ball drops kindly for Aaron Ramsey who will surely put this away... he falls over the ball! Poor from the Wales captain. He tries to keep it in play on the byline, but Arsenal's attack is over.
    • 11' Djamel Abdoun played in behind on the left for Olympiacos and pulls back for Rafik Djebbour who looks to dart in front of Thomas Vermaelen at the near post - but the Arsenal captain makes a brilliant challenge to keep him out.
    • 18:49 TEAMS: Olympiacos: Carroll, Maniatis, Machado, Conteras, Manolas, Torossidis, Fejsa, Diakité, Greco, Abdoun, Djebbour. Subs: Megyeri, Ibagaza, Fetfatzidis, Fuster, Siovas, Pantelić, Mitroglou. /// Arsenal: Szczęsny, Vermaelen, Squillaci, Jenkinson, Rosický, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Coquelin, Meade, Gervinho, Chamakh. Subs: Shea, Angha, Hajrovic, Monteiro, Arshavin, Ansah, Akpom.

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  1. Good first half performace from several players with­ Rosicky outstanding. Shame he had to be protected­ following injury because the game turned with his­ departure with a loss of experience in midfield. He was­ instrumental in Arsenals surge to qualify last year so­ am surpised he is often on the fans list of mediocre­ players to be got rid of. I too feel sorry for Ramsey­ the but of much understandable frustration. An honest,­ young, hard working player who is rebuiding his­ career-and nothing is going right at the moment but he­ will come good if taken out of the firing line for a­ while. His play is slow because he lacks confidence. ­ Gervinho worked very hard and protected Meade first­ half but got lost in the reshuffle he remains an­ inigma. As for Chamakh the gel he plaster to no effect­ on his hair reminds me of his control of the ball. He­ is too slow and if this was a shop window-it must have­ been a pound shop! Meade looked good for 60 minutes­ until Gervinho wandered off leaving him 2 players.­ Sqillaci lived up to his reputation. Djourou has faults­ but unless injured would have given more pace. At least­ we wont face Real in the next round! Llorente or Ba­ would be my choice for Jan! Not sure that Steve Bould­ or any of the famous 5 is right to be this teams­ defensive coach- drilled off side and crunching tackles­ from behind were fine in the 90's but would be red­ cards today. Needs a more modern, pressing team­ approach to defending. How about Vermaelan or koscielny­ as DMF until we can sign a specialist for that job?

    From fullofgas, on Wed 5 Dec 12:46

  2. I have sent four comments with constructive­ crtisism.Does anyone vet these ?? None have appeared. ­ Get rid of Steve Bould.....he's supposed to coach­ defenders....look at his face in the dugout....he's­ mesmarised. Appoint D Matteo, NOW. He can coach and be­ groomed as a future manager. Get ris of the 6'­ 7' German...slow as a cart horse and he only '­ plays for himself' not the team. He slows the game­ down to his walking pase and then only delivers 50/50­ balls. He really is a liability. January...hopefully­ another strong central defender/ a similar player to­ win the ball in mid/field and a striker.

    From ken, on Wed 5 Dec 11:08

  3. Olympiacos are a very good team,Arsenal had an­ extremely tough match in the 3-1 home win,when­ Gervinho played very well.Olympiacos are 20 points­ clear at the top of the Greek Super League and have a­ very talented team and must feel unfortunate not to­ have progressed in the competition.

    From JJ, on Wed 5 Dec 10:14

  4. This is the worst Arsenal squad I have seen for 20­ years. Wenger stumbles along blindly ignoring the­ problems staring him in the face. He has his way of­ playing football,but he doesn't have the players to­ implement it now he has sold his best players. ­ Arsenal need a new leader.

    From , on Wed 5 Dec 10:14

  5. I would say he was trying to rest Rosicky ahead of a­ must win game on Saturday don't forget its only his­ 2nd game back

    From tom, on Wed 5 Dec 8:33

  6. Need to offload Arshavin and Chamakh also jenkinson­ looks lost a full back, on the positive side Rosicky­ and Vermaelen played well. I feel sorry for Ramsey­ nothing is goin for him at the moment he needs to relax­ and try to play his natural game

    From tom, on Wed 5 Dec 8:31

  7. Its pitty we cant have more Cazorlas or Rosickys. :)

    From Olaf, on Wed 5 Dec 6:28

  8. Wenger must accept that he no longer have those tactics­ he used to have when he coached the players like­ Patrick Veira, Edu, Thiery Henry, and the game was­ orgainsed and fans like Arsenal so much. Believe me or­ not Presidents like Paul Kagame of Rwanda are­ supporters of Arsenal and the current formation of­ Arsenal has demoralised every supporter of Arsenal in­ every part of the world. Wenger must be changed totally­ from coarching the club. Gama SOUTH SUDAN

    From Gama, on Wed 5 Dec 5:29

  9. Arsenal = Podolski + Mertesacker !!!

    From Ali, on Wed 5 Dec 5:26

  10. The only reason why Arsenal wont win the champions­ league is because they are pants lol knocked out next­ match then domestic cups available lol - so funny and­ what a loss....

    From John, on Wed 5 Dec 5:00

  11. Cmon Asene get in the real world, telling supporters­ who spend money they can ill afford to squander, that­ the Players who earn thousands of pounds a month are­ TIRED i personally think that is an INSULT to all­ Supporters of football not just arsenal, the sooner­ players are on performance related wages the better, a­ true supporter hurts after a defeat you see these­ players out on the raz 2 hours after playing , if there­ so tired they would surely be better off going home to­ bed, FROM A VERY CONCERNED TRUE GUNNER //////////////

    From JULIE, on Wed 5 Dec 1:09

  12. So what! They are still in the Champions League and­ into the last 16. Anything can happen from here!­ Football is unpredictable,Celtic defeat Barcelona but­ draw with Arbroath in the Scottish cup! Anything can­ happen so there is no reason why Arsenal cannot still­ win the Champions League.

    From John, on Tue 4 Dec 23:38

  13. What a very poor Arsenal team.

    From , on Tue 4 Dec 23:02

  14. Wenger + Squillacci + Gervinho = a sure losing formula.­ I don't remember seeing Arsenal not losing when­ those three are combined, rather they look like a third­ division side. I'm disgusted with Wenger arrogance­ and i think he's now the main reason why the team­ is having a bad run and it won't change as long as­ he is around. He is the one responsible of bringing­ tose kind of players and letting go the best of Arsenal­ players. I' m an Arsenal fan, i don't live in­ England and i think that the fans should boycott the­ team to force them to a real change. W.E.N.G.E.R.­ O.U.T.!!!!! If the owners and the Board are happy­ mith his managerial policies then they should leave­ too. The team should be owned by the fans like­ Barcelona and believe me, YOU CAN DO IT...

    From Abid, on Tue 4 Dec 23:01

  15. at least better than city :)

    From syafiq, on Tue 4 Dec 22:57

  16. every time when arsenal and CHEAPSKATE IDIOT wenger­ lose - IT IS WONDERFUL DAY !

    From Istina Boli, on Tue 4 Dec 22:21

  17. Imagine Rosicky was playing well and he removed him.­ What does he want to loose. Instead of to remove Ramsey­ that cannot shoot at the edge of the box. I guess he is­ now use to failure or he wants to meet Barca again.­ Excuse will be Man city is out and maybe Cheasea is­ out. Just spoiled my night. Before we loose after­ playing a beautiful game but now we don,t need even­ play good game and we loose. So unhappy. Next year we­ will not get top 4

    From ik, on Tue 4 Dec 21:51

  18. Well done Olympiacos, from a Spurs fan.

    From XX, on Tue 4 Dec 21:48

  19. Might have been a weakened side but what did Chamakh,­ The Ox, Arshavin, Gervinho . Vermaelin did not lead the­ back four who were very badly organised. Ramsey again a­ waste of space, could not find his man, Presented the­ first goal on a plate with his chest down of the ball.­ All the times I have watched Arsenal Ramsey has never­ impressed. The only decent contribution came from­ Rosicky. Steve Bould was a great defender but he is­ not a defensive coach.

    From Max and Pat, on Tue 4 Dec 21:48

  20. Please can we sell ramsey. He is not a top 4 player. he­ should be playing at reading. Song was his biggest­ mistake. No player can take that position . experiences­ matter. You did not win a cup and you sold your Song to­ a team that has more midfielder and won a cup. You are­ really not ambitious. pls lets get an ambitious manager­ even if he don't win be you will see the zeal to­ win cups. Wenger does not want to win a cup anymore.

    From ik, on Tue 4 Dec 21:47
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