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IRISH STEW 0 HAMBURGER 1, swally that timmy.

frankie; who says we don't have a sense of humour­ eh? Jeez , you need to have as a celtic fan! Good­ chaffing with you.

he was bale to concentrate on winning. in short he­ brought a winning mentality to the team. TM has been­ unable to do this and i frimly believe that the game in­ moscow was not won because the players followed­ TM's instructions. I think they played their own­ game and TM did not like it. Look at the results since­ then, they have been abyssmal. there are too many prima­ donnas' with caldwell being the biggest. Out come­ january i hope to the english championship as no epl­ team would touch him with a barge pole
so, i think we­ will have to agree to differ on whether he stays or­ goes, you know my feelings by now, but there may be­ more than one vacancy at parkhead come january and the­ backroom staff may have to bring out their italian­ phrase books especially if the republic lose against­ france!

Stay tuned as nextweek we solve the­ arab/israeli conflict and bring peace to the middle­ east...

i think you are correct regarding some players work­ ethic. For caldwell to come away with the rubbish he­ does (both on and off the pitch!) shows a total lack of­ professionalism and is a major indicator tha he­ obviously wants to move on. Asking for a ridiculous­ amount as he has, when he and everyone else knows he­ isn't worth half of the £9k per week that he is­ currently earning is simply a " come and get me­ " plea. the fact that no one has been linked with­ him speaks volumes about his ability as a centre back. ­ It takes me 4 months to earn what he does in a week,­ yet he wants more than double what he currently­ earns...when he stops scoring own goals, conceding­ schoolboy error penalties and costing us points then­ maybe a raise could be discussed. Nah, lets be honest­ here the guy is a dud. I really think he will move on­ in january, i hope so.
Anyway, work ethic. there is a­ general lack of confidence at celtic and there is a­ feeling of melancholy from the players. this brings me­ back to the points i was making last night, this is­ down to the manger; its his job to ensure that the­ players are at their physical and mental peak for­ games, especially must win games as last nights was,­ but sadly he failed to produce the goods as did his­ team. the team is a reflection of the confidence and­ self belief instiiled by the manager; the team is then­ an extension of the mangers psyche (oooh, really deep­ man...), on the evidence of last night, rapid vienna,­ happoel tel aviv, cska (home), arsenal (home and away),­ rangers (away) TM does not have what it takes to manage­ this team.
when GS came to us questions were asked­ about his abilities due to having managed southampton­ and coventry, both teams that were struggling in the­ EPL, rightly so, but he answered those question with­ the teams he put on the park (atrmedia..oops!). I­ remember his saying that when he was at those clubs he­ had to concentrate on not losing and not being­ relegated, but at celtic he had a chan

I give us 2 more seasons and the league will be­ irrepairable and in a 3rd world state. The old days of­ fans coming on and saying "we are good but they­ are garbage" have gone now. BOTH Old Firm teams­ are garbage now. 2 More seasons like this and Celtic­ will be in debt and a sinking ship too.

re: 184, i think officially it is hamburger they are­ called. Thats what they were down as on the television­ last night As for the old firm i am a Rangers fan, but­ that is some sorry state bith Rangers and Celtic are­ playing at just now. Not really Smith or Mowbrays fault­ as such, but i think there are to many players playing­ in there comfort zone for decent money. For Rangers­ thomson,mendes,naismith,smith,lafferty all decent­ players on £10k + per week and giving not a whole lot­ back, for Celtic i would say:­ brown,caldwell,mcmanus,robson,naylor fall into the same­ category. I say drop them and let the likes of, mcginn­ - mccourt, wilson - fleck satrt more games. Anyway rant­ over for today, good bye

Frankie, some compelling arguments in there and I­ concur with much of what you say about the demeanour of­ the players, especially on the pitch. I think we all­ have had the sense that all is not well in the Celtic­ dressing room for some considerable time, the spats and­ grudges are an open secret. I had hoped that things­ would have improved when Mogga came, because I believe­ he is a straight talking, no frills, honest type of­ bloke, but I also believe that the footballers in there­ know too much about each others' business for it to­ be a healthy situation and that makes the managers job­ less about football and more about man management and­ therefore, at Celtic at least, somewhat of a poisoned­ chalice; for instance, what does it matter to Caldwell­ how much anyone else is getting paid? I use Caldwell as­ an example, but I believe that the problem is endemic­ in the dressing room. He wants £20,000 a week, because­ it is 'in line' with what some of the­ individuals there are getting, what the hell has it to­ do with Caldwell what anybody else gets paid? To me,­ that's not the mindset of a footballer who wants to­ play for the club, but the mindset of a mercenary who­ wants his pay for just turning up. I don't know in­ the great scheme of things, if he, or anyone else for­ that matter, is worth that amount, but until he­ actually applies himself to the job he's supposed­ to do without making schoolboy blunders which cost­ matches, I don't rate his chances of getting it...­ with anybody, he's just not worth what he thinks he­ is.
Beckham resume, one peg, can't tackle; yet­ he's had some of the best jobs on the planet, why?­ Because he works harder than anyone on the planet with­ one peg and can't tackle. His final ball is inch­ perfect and his dead ball skills are superb. He spent­ thousands of hours, by himself on a training ground, he­ didn't do it to make money, he did it to be the­ best at what he does, the money followed Beckham.­ Consummate P

Part two Lyse!
I also believe that GS is a better­ manager than MON, look what he achieved wth very little­ although he did inherit some good players. Both of­ these mangers had qualities that i just cant see in TM.­ i know about teams needing time to gel etc, but look­ at the faces of the current team when they are on the­ pitch. there is nothing there. there seems to be no­ grit or determination there. I think TM has already­ lost the dressing room, really. and any good results or­ performances are coming about not because of TM but­ rather in spite of him. I don't think the guy can­ cut it as celtic boss. We should be running away with­ the league even at this early stage. GS would have­ given arsenal a run for their money so much so they­ would have worried about us coming to the emirates.­ Given the performances of the other teams in our europa­ cup group, we would be sitting at the top, but look­ where we are.
The next obvious question is who would­ replace him? Considering the republic have WC playoff­ against france i would suggest trappatoni. he's­ unlikely to want to stay with the republic for another­ tournament and given his age, he would be an ideal­ short term appointment.
These are just my opinions, but­ i think that they are valid opinions none the less and­ i wait for your reply.

lyse, my partner and i were flying back from Murcia in­ april/may of this year dunno exactly which, but it was­ the weekend of the semi final of the cup. the bhoys had­ been away for a break in spain and were on their way­ back when we met them at the airport in Murcia. ­ anyway, every one of those player's faces were as­ long as great big long things...i reckon that was when­ GS told them he was quitting. they really did look a­ dejected bunch of blokes. there was no laughter,­ joking, banter or any of the other charcteristics that­ you would expect to see in a team. in fact Boruc went­ to one end of the airport and the rest of the team were­ at the other. Strachan wasn't even there and it­ was left to neil lennon to shepherd them all on the­ plane. i have the photo's on my facebook page, if­ you want to have a look we'll sort something out. ­ After that weekend the whole team, and the season,­ began to implode. that, I believe was the cause of us­ losing the league last season. i honestly think­ that's where it all began. their faces say it­ all.
svh may be at the top of the bundesliga, but they­ had 8 players out, in essence they were playing their­ reserves and we could have played till Derek C grew­ hairs on his sac and still not scored. the buck has to­ stop with TM. a very difficult decision needs to be­ made and made soon; either keep TM and quite possibly­ (probably in my view) end up trophyless or take the­ plunge and get a replacement in PDQ. I don't take­ any solace in the fact that the red sea pedestrians­ gubbed rapid tonight. on the contrary, it shows you­ how bad celtic really are. Happoel are not a good­ team, neither are rapid and the fact that matter is­ that we have taken one point from both games with them­ it shows how bad we really are. i do agree that GS was­ much better for celtic than MON. people forget that­ MON had a great deal of money to spend and he did have­ henk, sutton, lennon, thomson, hartson etc whereas GS­ had none. AHM NO FI

What is Celtic doing?????????

wtf is that eurosport??!!!! ,, HUMBURGER!!!!!! ,,­ adjust it quickly

im Scottish and a Republican, why can derek c not­ comprehend that? why does he associate Republicanism­ with Ireland? yes it exists in Ireland, as it does in­ lot's of other countries, including Scotland, i­ would like to know what he thinks Republicanism is,­ that would be interesting to hear from this BNP­ political giant.

Anyway, I've had my rant, so I'm off to bed.

HaHaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Another defeat for the Old Firm!­ Noone wants them cause they are so @#$%. We want to­ play in the English Premier!! Grow up and don't­ make me laugh!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW frankie, why are you paying lip service to that­ ars-ehole derek c, thumb the barstard down and just­ ignore his bile, and he'll just disappear.

Frankie, I'm with you in much of what you say about­ the team wallowing in mediocrity, but I can't­ honestly throw stones at Mogga. You say that these are­ the same core players that got to CL last sixteen, and­ that is indeed true, but they are also the same core­ players who surrendered the league last year without as­ much as a whimper; and that was with GS at the helm.­ Now, we can look for as many scapegoats as there are­ bad results, but the buck has to stop with mediocre­ players and non-trying prima donnas who 'think'­ above their station. I know it's hard to imagine­ where the improvement will come from, but throwing­ money at 'new' players at the expense of some­ of the ones we have could be folly. Think on the­ comparative success in our recent history, the­ difference is not that we had a better manager, MON in­ my book was not that great, but he had possibly the­ best player we have seen in many a year in Henrik. It­ wasn't the manager who scored goals, it was a­ dedicated professional who worked harder than anyone­ else, and he did it despite having one or two­ 'numpty' managers. Mogga set his stall out­ tonight against the team at the top of the Bundesliga,­ and they aquitted themselves very well, considering the­ standard that they've been playing at. They had a­ few gilt-edged chances which should have been taken,­ but they were narrowly beaten by a great football team.­ There was no disgrace in that, Celtic have no God given­ right to win every game, and if they apply themselves­ the ay they did tonight, they will gel into a cohesive­ unit who will be able to compete at any level. Just­ think on, Hapoel scudded Rapid Vienna 5-1 tonight, and­ everybody thought they were going to be the whipping­ boys of the group; simply they all try and they all­ stand or fall together, they are a team, something­ we're not. Now if there's anything to criticise­ Mogga for it is that he doesn't make a very good­ baby sitter, because that's wha

185 the word is Encyclopaedia in the english­ language
encyclopedia is the US, canadian or australian­ spelling.
I've had enough of you and your feeble­ attempts to show that you are my intellectual equal,­ let alone sperior. Now go away and sow your seeds of­ ignorance elsewhere. You are an example of what is­ wrong with this page and this forum in general. I just­ want to talk about football. Now just go away and take­ your racist drivel elswhere; i can't be bothered­ with it.