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Saturday November 7, 2009 Finished Estadio Vicente Calderón

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Atlético Madrid

  • Forlán 79’
  • Agüero 81’

Real Madrid

  • Kaká 5’
  • Marcelo 25’
  • Higuaín 64’

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  1. Real hold on for derby win

    Real hold on for derby win

    Real Madrid held off a late fightback by city rivals Atletico to win 3-2 in a top-drawer Liga derby clash at the Vicente Calderon. More

  • Live Commentary

    Time:90'
    • Atlético Madrid
    • Real Madrid
    • 90+4 Final whistle! Real win but boy did they cut it fine! Atletico still in the drop zone but, if they play like they did in the last 10 minutes tonight they will be fine.
    • 90+3 Wide to Ujfalusi, who is a winger right now, and his cross is blocked for a corner but no, final touch came off Forlan, goal kick.
    • 90+3 Free-kick swung in by Simao but over from Perea.
    • 90+2 High one into the box and chested down by Forlan AND AGUERO MUST SCORE BUT WHAT A SAVE FROM CASILLAS!!! Cleared and Atletico win a free-kick, Alonso on Ujfalusi.
    • 90+1 Sinama-Pongolle tries to knock it on for Aguero but the Argentine is held off .
    • 90' Four minutes added time being played AND IT'S PLAYED IN FROM THE RIGHT BUT PONGOLLA PUTS IT WIDE! Ah offside.
    • 89' Great play by Santana but Pepe intercepts his through ball. Sinama-Pongolle is going to come on as Atletico throw the kitchen sink, Pablo racing off like Usain Bolt.
    • 88' Aguero with a mazy dribble, super run and inside to Forlan who takes a touch AND DIGS OUT A SHOT but it goes well wide in the end.
    • 87' Incessant pressure from Atletico as Forlan muscles his way into the box, wide to Ujfalusi but the flag is up as he crosses low for Maxi to score. That was marginal!
    • 86' Good play from Atletico, lovely passing sees Ujfalusi wide right, super cross AND IT DROPS TO SIMAO WITH THE VOLLEY BUT HE SENDS IT OVER!! What a chance!!!
    • 85' Real Madrid bring Van der Vaart on for Kaka.
    • 84' Poor free-kick runs out for a goal kick, now Simao wins a throw deep in the Atletico half.
    • 83' Good pressure from Atletico but they fail to test Casillas, now Real have a free-kick just inside Atletico's half.
    • 81' Santana with a great piece of play to feed Aguero and Aguero shrugs off the much bigger Pepe like he's made of paper, Pepe falls and Aguero drills it past Casillas!! 3-2!! Atletico right back in this! GAME ON!!
    • 79' Forlan through the middle, wide to Ujfalusi getting forward, he crosses low AND FORLAN PULLS ONE BACK! The old Atletico Madrid in action and Forlan senses something, racing back to halfway with the ball.
    • 77' Real seem to have seen off that brief Atletico threat after losing Ramos. This looks to be an easy win for Los Merengues.
    • 75' Raul almost steals in but Pablo holds him off and hoofs it out for a throw.
    • 74' Neat passing from Madrid as they try to keep the ball as far way from their goal as possible.
    • 73' Garay with a poor challenge on Raul Garcia.
    • 72' Good play by Atletico as Aguero is sent through to release Forlan but a handball by Santana in the build-up.
    • 71' Arbeloa is booked now as Atletico have a free-kick on the left, which is headed clear, sent back in but headed over by Perea.
    • 70' Simao puts the ball to Garcia on the edge of the box, a low drive that Casillas stops but he fumbles and just dives on to it in time.
    • 70' REAL SUB: Gago on for Madrid, Benzema I think leaving the field...
    • 69' Casillas has top tip behind from Ujfalusi, corner!
    • 68' Simao to take then, on the edge of the box, and he smashes it around the non-existent wall but just wide! Useless wall, gave him loads of space to aim for.
    • 67' Some kind of drama on the bench before they take the free-kick as Pellegrini needs treatment, something was thrown at him from the crowd it seems.
    • 66' Aguero races on to the ball, he gets past Pepe who slides in like a maniac and he's through and a terrible tackle from Ramos and that's the last man! He's off! Why on earth did he make that tackle when 3-0 up? Typical from Ramos.
    • 65' REAL MADRID SUB: Raul on for Higuain.
    • 64' Higuain on the edge of his box, what on earth is he doing? Higuain robs him AND HIGUAIN IS IN AND HE SMASHES IT UNDER ASENJO FOR 3-0!! Shocking from Perea, this has to be one of the worst defensive teams in top-level football.
    • 61' Ujfalusi is fouled on the right but a correct advantage is played. Atletico give it away, and Simao is booked for a foul on Kaka, very late.
    • 60' Simao puts it in, headed across goal and Forlan keeps it in but Ramos wins a goal kick.
    • 60' ATLETICO SUB: Maxi on for Reyes. Maxi's first involvement is to drill the loose ball off Diarra for another corner.
    • 58' Forlan is in, he could pull one back now but Pepe slides in with a brilliant challenge to put it behind for a corner.
    • 57' That delivery was no better, into the wall and up in the air but knocked forward by Marcelo to Benzema who rifles it home but he's several yards offside.
    • 57' Another soft free-kick given away by Santana on Higuain this time, 25 yards out, Alonso will have this...
    • 56' Benzema, oddly, will take this and sends it straight into the wall.
    • 55' Marcelo gets forward, now Higuain runs at Perea and is lucky to win a free-kick.
    • 54' Kaka, Benzema and Marcelo combine but the French striker is blocked off by Perea and Atletico clear.
    • 53' Good delivery from Simao, it ricochets into danger but Madrid clear. Kaka with a lovely diagonal ball to Higuain on the right, who wins a throw but then Ramos with a foul
    • 52' Marcelo and Reyes clash, the former giving away a free-kick that Simao jogs over to take...
    • 50' Aguero by the area, tries the cross and it seems to hit Garay's arm but nothing given. Firstly, it was outside the box so no way was that a penalty, and secondly it was ball to hand, with Garay's arm by his side.
    • 49' Benzema slips Higuain in but the flag is up, inches offside.
    • 48' Diarra wide to Ramos, who lofts over a decent ball for Higuain, the ball spins up in the air off Pablo AND BENZEMA HURLS HIMSELF AT THE BALL AND HEADS IT OVER! He collided with Pablo but should have scored.
    • 47' Simao almost gets through down the other end but the ball trickles into Casillas.
    • 47' Madrid start in the usual fashion, one-two between Benzema and Marcelo and the Frenchman drills it low and just wide but Asenjo had it covered all the way.
    • 46' ATLETICO SUB: Finally, Aguero is on for Jurado.
    • 46' Second half underway!!
    • 45+1 Half-time, Madrid lead 2-0 through those outstanding strikes from Kaka and Marcelo.
    • 45+1 The corner is half-cleared, Jurado goes to ground and the crowd bay for a penalty but nothing given and rightly so.
    • 45' Defence-splitting pass by Garcia sends Simao through, he's clear of the defence, he must score but he fires it straight at Casillas, who tips over for a corner!
    • 44' One minute added time being played.
    • 43' Good tackle from Pepe, nothing wrong with that at all but the Atletico crowd and players are angry, now Raul Garcia fouls Marcelo and is booked and Los Rojiblancos go ballistic.
    • 42' Simao gets it on the left and, running clear of Diarra, goes down and Diarra could be in trouble but, with the Madrid man wagging a finger, the ref waves play on. Good reffing under pressure.
    • 41' Alonso clips it to Ramos at the far post, Perea and Pablo stand like zombies as the loose ball is almost rammed in by Ramos but wide in the end.
    • 40' Madrid come forward with Marcelo on the left, Benzema now is fouled by Ujfalusi who almost talks his way into the book.
    • 39' Simao on the left plays a brilliant ball to Forlan's feet but shocking control sees it bounce out for a goal kick.
    • 38' Simao finds Forlan down the left, now Reyes is in there but the low ball is easy for Casillas.
    • 37' Atletico down to 10 men as Pablo gets treatment on the sidelines. The corner is cleared eventually. Problems for Atletico as the only centre-half on the bench is Alvaro Dominguez.
    • 36' Oh dear, in making that challenge it seems Pablo has hurt his groin.
    • 36' Great low cross by Ramos for Benzema but Pablo this time does brilliantly to slide across to put it out for a corner.
    • 35' Pablo with a poor clearance but Simao somehow gets on it, Diarra chops down Jurado n halfway as he raced away and he enters the book.
    • 34' Stepover froom Kaka, Arbeloa on the left, inside to Marcelo, one touch to Benzema WHO FINISHES INTO THE BOTTOM RIGHT BUT A SUPER SAVE BY ASENJO! Corner.
    • 33' Simao on the left, he gets away from Ramos but a poor cross straight down Casillas's throat with no-one in there anyway.
    • 32' The home fans are angry with Jurado after he gave it away trying to beet Pepe on the left.
    • 31' Poor corner by Simao but it's blocked back into his path, he races towards the byline and smashes it across goal AND FORLAN AT THE FAR POST BUT INTO THE WOODWORK AND AWAY! That hit the outside of the post from a very tight angle.
    • 30' Decent delivery from Simao but off Higuain and looping away for a corner to Atletico. Simao to take, it comes off Marcelo at the near post and flies out for a throw on the other side. Reyes into Jurado who wins a corner on the right. Good spell for Atletico.
    • 29' Crude tackle by Ramos on Jurado on the Atletico left but no card, just a free-kick as Jurado gets up quickly enough. Simao to take....
    • 28' Simao is sent in down the left by Aguero but he is incorrectly called offside.
    • 28' Kaka sends this one well over though.
    • 27' Pablo is having what is known in the trade as a 'mare', getting a yellow and giving away a free-kick on the edge of the D.
    • 25' Well that was some strike by Brazilian Marcelo, adding to buddy Kaka's sublime goal. Madrid ahead and they have dominated. Poor defending from Pablo though, he had the pace of a hippo keeping up with that play.
    • 24' Throw to Real on the right, Higuain is over to take, Alonso with a great ball into Benzema, super control and he puts it wide to Marcelo on the right who can cross BUT WHAT A GOAL! FROM AN IMPOSSIBLE ANGLE INTO THE ROOF OF THE NET OVER THE LUNGING CHALLENGE OF PABLO! Superb finish.
    • 23' Reyes with a lovely backheel to send Ujfalusi in down the right but his cross is straight at Casillas.
    • 22' Ramos gets it quite far out, he moves forward and no-one closes him down so he rams a fizzing low drive to the bottom right that Asenjo flies across to bat out!!
    • 22' Near-post corner by Kaka but headed clear.
    • 21' Arbeloa pops up on the left to get hold of Ramos's crossfield pass and he wins a throw. Taken short, poor marking and Benzema is in behind the back four to drill it low and win a corner.
    • 20' Perea rises to head clear from Benzema, Kaka could latch on to it but just behind him.
    • 19' Good pass and move from Madrid but Kaka of all people loses the ball. Now Pepe gets it a long way out and he hammers in a bobbling drive that Asenjo gets down very late to parry one-handed.
    • 18' Kaka sends the corner in but Atletico clear.
    • 17' Corner to Real on the left, won by some good work from the until-now quiet Benzema.
    • 16' Short to Kaka who shoots but blocked, it spins to DIARRA ON THE RIGHT WHO SMASHES A GREAT SHOT THAT FLIES INTO THE SIDE NETTING!
    • 15' Another free-kick to Madrid, central and 30 yards out. I think Kaka might want this but Alonso is over it too...
    • 13' Great play by Kaka on the edge of the box, Santana gets hold of it though but he loses out to Alonso and Marcelo is in but the flag it up for offside.
    • 12' Terrible free-kick from the normally accurate Alonso, well over again.
    • 11' Kaka is brought down by Santana just inside the Atleti half, no card but a free-kick.
    • 10' Forlan and Jurado combine but Forlan shoots low and weak at Casillas.
    • 9' Good play again from Atletico but Ramos gets back to intercept.
    • 8' Good pass and move play from Atletico but Jurado's shot goes well over.
    • 6' Ridiculous yellow card after Raul Garcia hurled himself to the floor after not getting touched in the face by the dragging hand of Kaka. Ludicrous decision.
    • 5' Diarra robs Santana, foul on Kaka by Santana but play-on says the ref AND BOOM! WHAT A GOAL FROM KAKA!! He smashes a rocket of a shot from the edge of the box into the top left! What a way to mark your derby debut!!
    • 4' Real have a free-kick around 33 yards out, Alonso to put it in the mixer. Poor delivery though, too low and headed out for a throw.
    • 3' Forlan is put through on the right but the flag is up. Incredible atmosphere at the Calderon.
    • 2' Ramos clatters into Simao and the crowd hiss for Real blood.
    • 1' Match underway!!
    • - Hello and welcome to our coverage of El Derbi, Atletico Madrid against Real Madrid at the Vicente Calderon from 9pm.

  • Summary

    • 90+2 High one into the box and chested down by Forlan AND AGUERO MUST SCORE BUT WHAT A SAVE FROM CASILLAS!!! Cleared and Atletico win a free-kick, Alonso on Ujfalusi.
    • 87' Incessant pressure from Atletico as Forlan muscles his way into the box, wide to Ujfalusi but the flag is up as he crosses low for Maxi to score. That was marginal!
    • 86' Good play from Atletico, lovely passing sees Ujfalusi wide right, super cross AND IT DROPS TO SIMAO WITH THE VOLLEY BUT HE SENDS IT OVER!! What a chance!!!
    • 81' Santana with a great piece of play to feed Aguero and Aguero shrugs off the much bigger Pepe like he's made of paper, Pepe falls and Aguero drills it past Casillas!! 3-2!! Atletico right back in this! GAME ON!!
    • 79' Forlan through the middle, wide to Ujfalusi getting forward, he crosses low AND FORLAN PULLS ONE BACK! The old Atletico Madrid in action and Forlan senses something, racing back to halfway with the ball.
    • 70' Simao puts the ball to Garcia on the edge of the box, a low drive that Casillas stops but he fumbles and just dives on to it in time.
    • 69' Casillas has top tip behind from Ujfalusi, corner!
    • 68' Simao to take then, on the edge of the box, and he smashes it around the non-existent wall but just wide! Useless wall, gave him loads of space to aim for.
    • 66' Aguero races on to the ball, he gets past Pepe who slides in like a maniac and he's through and a terrible tackle from Ramos and that's the last man! He's off! Why on earth did he make that tackle when 3-0 up? Typical from Ramos.
    • 64' Higuain on the edge of his box, what on earth is he doing? Higuain robs him AND HIGUAIN IS IN AND HE SMASHES IT UNDER ASENJO FOR 3-0!! Shocking from Perea, this has to be one of the worst defensive teams in top-level football.
    • 48' Diarra wide to Ramos, who lofts over a decent ball for Higuain, the ball spins up in the air off Pablo AND BENZEMA HURLS HIMSELF AT THE BALL AND HEADS IT OVER! He collided with Pablo but should have scored.
    • 45' Defence-splitting pass by Garcia sends Simao through, he's clear of the defence, he must score but he fires it straight at Casillas, who tips over for a corner!
    • 34' Stepover froom Kaka, Arbeloa on the left, inside to Marcelo, one touch to Benzema WHO FINISHES INTO THE BOTTOM RIGHT BUT A SUPER SAVE BY ASENJO! Corner.
    • 31' Poor corner by Simao but it's blocked back into his path, he races towards the byline and smashes it across goal AND FORLAN AT THE FAR POST BUT INTO THE WOODWORK AND AWAY! That hit the outside of the post from a very tight angle.
    • 24' Throw to Real on the right, Higuain is over to take, Alonso with a great ball into Benzema, super control and he puts it wide to Marcelo on the right who can cross BUT WHAT A GOAL! FROM AN IMPOSSIBLE ANGLE INTO THE ROOF OF THE NET OVER THE LUNGING CHALLENGE OF PABLO! Superb finish.
    • 22' Ramos gets it quite far out, he moves forward and no-one closes him down so he rams a fizzing low drive to the bottom right that Asenjo flies across to bat out!!
    • 16' Short to Kaka who shoots but blocked, it spins to DIARRA ON THE RIGHT WHO SMASHES A GREAT SHOT THAT FLIES INTO THE SIDE NETTING!
    • 5' Diarra robs Santana, foul on Kaka by Santana but play-on says the ref AND BOOM! WHAT A GOAL FROM KAKA!! He smashes a rocket of a shot from the edge of the box into the top left! What a way to mark your derby debut!!
    • - Hello and welcome to our coverage of El Derbi, Atletico Madrid against Real Madrid at the Vicente Calderon from 9pm.

Team lineup & ratings

  • Atlético Madrid

    Manager: Quique

    Captain: Antonio López

  • Real Madrid

    Manager: Manuel Pellegrini

    Captain: Iker Casillas

  • Lineup

    Live Team Line-Up

    • Starting line-up

      • S. Asenjo
      • T. Ujfalusi
      • Pablo Yellow Card Substitution Out (89′)
      • L. Perea
      • A. López
      • Cléber Santana
      • R. García Yellow Card
      • J. Reyes Substitution Out (59′)
      • Simão Yellow Card
      • D. Forlán Goal
      • Jurado Substitution Out (45′)

      Subs

      • M. Rodríguez Substitution In59′
      • J. Valera
      • S. Agüero Substitution In45′ Goal
      • I. Camacho
      • F. Sinama Pongolle Substitution In89′
      • A. Domínguez
      • D. De Gea

    • Starting line-up

      • I. Casillas
      • S. Ramos Red Card
      • Pepe
      • E. Garay Yellow Card
      • &. Arbeloa Yellow Card
      • X. Alonso
      • L. Diarra Yellow Card
      • Marcelo Goal
      • Kaká Goal Yellow Card Substitution Out (85′)
      • G. Higuaín Goal Substitution Out (65′)
      • K. Benzema Substitution Out (69′)

      Subs

      • C. Metzelder
      • J. Dudek
      • R. van der Vaart Substitution In85′
      • R. van Nistelrooy
      • Raúl Substitution In65′
      • F. Gago Substitution In69′
      • E. Granero

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      Goalkeeper
      5.6 7
      Defenders
      5.3 7
      Yellow Card Substitution Out89′ 4.3 4
      3.7 1
      4.3 4
      Midfielders
      4.8 5
      Yellow Card 4.5 4
      Substitution Out59′ 5 4
      Yellow Card 6 8
      Strikers
      Goal 6.8 7
      Substitution Out45′ 4.4 3
      Subs
      Substitution In59′ 5.2 5
      Substitution In45′ Goal 7.9 7
      Substitution In89′ 3.5 -
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      Goalkeeper
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      Defenders
      Red Card 5.4 3
      6.2 6
      Yellow Card 5.8 6
      Yellow Card 6.2 6
      Midfielders
      6.6 5
      Yellow Card 7.4 8
      Goal 7.2 7
      Goal Yellow Card Substitution Out85′ 8.2 8
      Strikers
      Goal Substitution Out65′ 7.4 7
      Substitution Out69′ 7.1 7
      Subs
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      Substitution In65′ 6.2 5
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  1. Angelos, are you F""KT inda head MADRID were­ better then athletico for 80 minutes atletico jst­ played good for 10 min coz we lose ramos CHELSEA HAD­ LUCK AGAINST ATHLETICO BECOZ ATLETICO WERE THE BTTER­ SIDE THEN CHELSEA

    From masicerko, on Sun 8 Nov 11:19PM

  2. This is coming from a real madrid fan. Pepe and Albiol­ are two of the worst centre backs in the world. I­ connot believe that real madrid payd 30 millon for­ pepe.

    From Raimo K, on Sun 8 Nov 3:48PM

  3. well done real but they would do better with ronaldo

    From daniel_ong7, on Sun 8 Nov 12:34PM

  4. $330m massive spend just bring you 2-3 win? WTF does­ that benefits you?!! even Chelsea spent nothing could­ draw with Atletico, if they spend a bit they can win !­ and you? $330m ain't worth a @#$% !

    From Angelos, on Sun 8 Nov 11:43AM

  5. athletico should get a new back four bcos that is where­ their problems really lie,perea, a lopez,p.ibanez are­ all useless

    From Ohia, on Sun 8 Nov 11:21AM

  6. great derby =)

    From Herne, on Sun 8 Nov 9:19AM

  7. real can win without raul..

    From appy, on Sun 8 Nov 8:11AM
  8. Comment hidden due to its low rating. Show

    why isnt aguero starting?

    From Team Terry, on Sun 8 Nov 12:25AM

  9. best player on the pitch was Alfredo Di Stefano.. for­ sure.. lol

    From Fran, on Sat 7 Nov 11:55PM

  10. REAL MADRID!

    From Fran, on Sat 7 Nov 11:54PM

  11. resl without ronaldo= quartar finals of the champions­ league

    From sirkeithbrennan, on Sat 7 Nov 11:42PM

  12. well well well, I thought Madrid would win 4-o or­ smth, but than
    suddenly come in mr Sergio Ramos, whith­ a knive in his hand, and stubs
    one of the Atleti's­ players LOOL But that was only begining, my boys
    for­ some reason thought, that the game is over, and the­ wistle is up,
    so they stop playing, it was a good luck­ mr Cassilias was
    at his best, as usual, and it ended­ up with MAdrid
    o n the top of Atletico. ..So I­ Congrotulate all the madridistas
    including me with­ this win, and...hopefully your girlfriends are­
    Barcelona fans, so you can celebrate double double­ tonight LOOL ))))))))))
    Halla Madrid !!!!

    From artakjan2001, on Sat 7 Nov 11:32PM

  13. well well well, I thought Madrid would win 4-o or­ smth, but than
    suddenly come in mr Sergio Ramos, whith­ a knive in his hand, and stubs
    one of the Atleti's­ players LOOL But that was only begining, my boys
    for­ some reason thought, that the game is over, and the­ wistle is up,
    so they stop playing, it was a good luck­ mr Cassilias was
    at his best, as usual, and it ended­ up with MAdrid
    o n the top of Atletico. ..So I­ Congrotulate all the madridistas
    including me with­ this win, and...hopefully your girlfriends are­
    Barcelona fans, so you can celebrate double double­ tonight LOOL ))))))))))
    Halla Madrid !!!!

    From artakjan2001, on Sat 7 Nov 11:31PM

  14. well well well, I thought Madrid would win 4-o or­ smth, but than
    suddenly come in mr Sergio Ramos, whith­ a knive in his hand, and stubs
    one of the Atleti's­ players LOOL But that was only begining, my boys
    for­ some reason thought, that the game is over, and the­ wistle is up,
    so they stop playing, it was a good luck­ mr Cassilias was
    at his best, as usual, and it ended­ up with MAdrid
    o n the top of Atletico. ..So I­ Congrotulate all the madridistas
    including me with­ this win, and...hopefully your girlfriends are­
    Barcelona fans, so you can celebrate double double­ tonight LOOL ))))))))))
    Halla Madrid !!!!

    From artakjan2001, on Sat 7 Nov 11:31PM

  15. hey guys!!!
    let us sing
    who let the dogs out?
    ho! ho!­ ho! ho! ho!
    who let the dogs out?
    ho! ho! ho! ho!­ ho!
    to all barca fans,,, we are there for the­ league
    liga and CL for madrid
    anyway barca are 3rd in­ their group, so they can go for europa league (uefa­ cup)
    HALA MADRID

    From getachew44, on Sat 7 Nov 11:20PM

  16. hey guy!!!
    let us sing
    who let the dogs out?
    ho! ho!­ ho! ho! ho!
    who let the dogs out?
    ho! ho! ho! ho!­ ho!
    to all barca fans,,, we are there for the­ league
    liga and CL for madrid
    anyway barca are 3rd in­ their group, so the can go for europa league (uefa­ cup)
    HALA MADRID

    From getachew44, on Sat 7 Nov 11:19PM

  17. wow what a match
    its wonderful derby
    the 1st half was­ for us but then athletico brought out maxi and aguero­ to change everythin upside down,,, also ramos make big­ erore by tackling aguero
    well done to our boys and hats­ off to the roje blanco
    the last 15 min was like­ nightmare,,, they make us tremble

    From getachew44, on Sat 7 Nov 11:09PM

  18. John C are you stupid REAL CANT DEFEND OUR BEST­ DEFENDER GOT A RED CARD ALBIOL DIDNT PLAY CRISTIANO­ DIDNT PLAY think b4 u wright

    From masicerko, on Sat 7 Nov 11:05PM

  19. arriba el madrid.......eddy hala madrid

    From Fay, on Sat 7 Nov 11:03PM

  20. based on that action from ramos ...

    From Moreno, on Sat 7 Nov 11:00PM
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