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It has been another interesting week in the life of Wayne Rooney. The bruiser would have been relieved to get back to club action after the furore over his sending-off during England's World Cup defeat to Portugal in June.
So what happens next? It’s Portuguese opposition again - this time in the form of national champions Porto at the Amsterdam Tournament. Again it's an innocuous challenge by the Man Utd frontman as he goes up for a well-contested header with defender Pepe; yet once more the bath is running early for England's star man.
Rooney : gritty and bullish, yes. Powerful and competitive, definitely.
But if you believe referees Elizondo and Bossen, a stamper and an elbower as well? I don't think so.
Wayne is a world star. Isn't it time FIFA stopped allowing referees like these to make a name for themselves with what is becoming some sort of serial vendetta against a man who is fierce but fair.
Shouldn't they be concentrating a little more on the diving, playacting, card-gesturing and winking on show at every turn, not least by our Portuguese friends?
If FIFA are quick enough and happy enough to rescind bookings after the game (in the name of fair play, by the way), wouldn't it make similar sense to dish out post-match punishments to soccer's pantomime performers - the current scourge of sportsmanship?
The amateur dramatics would soon stop then.
So what are the world’s football governing body waiting for? A curtain call?
Well written could not agree with you more, I'm sure even those England supporters that don't like W. R. have to also agree with you. It is time FIFA pulled thir finger out and give the 'divers' a good slap.
I am sure that its because of people like you that ENGLAND WILL NEVER WIN another WORLD CUP.The media love to the fill fans heads with #$%$ like your artical, its not ROONEYS fault, its the reff,everybody cheats except the english,all this #$%$ your printing makes me sick.Where is your gritty and bullish ROONEY when its time to admit that it was his fault he got sent off,he should apologize to the nation for letting them down, like TOTTI had to do,but he knows the likes of yourself will write some sort of #$%$ like ROONEY the new PELE now ajoke is ajoke, but thats a PANTOMIME.
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what a load of tosh! I am not english, but if you are refering to the world cup sending off for rooney,it was plain to me that Rooney was being fowled by 2 players, whilst trying to keep the ball in play.
Stupid I know, he should have adopted the europeon 'drop like you have been shot', as soon as he was within half a meter of the portugese player, maybe then he would have got a freekick,but because the british are taught to play untill the whistle goes he did.
Then with carvallios legs wrapped around him, this is a fowl in anybodys book, he fell backwards, his foot ended up in carvallios balls, and without doubt, it was pushed home a lot harder than necessary, but a shame it didnt result in a serious enough injury that need surgery, he got sent off!!
But correct referring would have prevented this with a fowl for the first fowl.
As for R Bossens dismissal, well that was a joke. Pepe didnt even challenge for the ball, instead he looked for rooney, who was airborne, and backed into him, watch the video again!, and rooney put his OPEN PALM out to protect his landing, and to the amazment of even pepe, he was off, Ruud Bossen a never heard of referee had his 3 secs of fame!! he will be dining out on this for the rest of his life!! So, PDVARONE, keep your girly yellow bellyed prancing roll on the floor premadonnas, we will play untill the whistle goes!
Retrospective punishment for diving is in theory a good idea. But if the punishment is in the format of a suspension for the player, it does not help the team that the player has cheeted against. In fact the suspention could work against the team that the player cheated. eg. we are nearing the end of the season and man u, liverpool, chelsea and arsenal are all within a few points of each other at the top of the table. If Robben dives against liverpool and wins a penalty, then retrospective evidence shows this pen was a dive, and he is given a 2 game ban as a punishment. the following games for chelsea could be against arsenal or man u, which will give those teams a distinct advantage. Liverpool would have been cheated against and the penalty was awarded against them and now there closest rivals would get to play a weakend chelsea team. Another idea is if the punishment were a fine for the player, but as we have seen time and time again in football, fines to players or clubs are negligable, the small amount deducted from the huge wages or turnover is never enough to act as a deterant. One idea i like the thought of is to punish the manager for a players behaviour. If this is the case the player will stop diving very sharpley or wont get an appearence.
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Okay but if the player finally begin to understand then suspensions would start to even out over the course of the season and , more hopefully the pathicetic unskilled cheats would begin to realise that this has to stop.
This is especially effctive if the punishments become more sevre on the second, third and forth (because some players are too stupid and self-important to realsie early) occasions.
I am a rugby player and "citing" after the match for offenses the referee missed (normally violent conduct), is very common at high levels.
If the referee or assistant miss something like "diving" then a disciplinary panel can be calld to review evidence.
I accept that in the case on penalties which could win a match this is scant consolation for the losing team, however maybe if there were harsh suspentions for "guilty divers" then maybe after a a feew weeks on the sidelines clubs, managers, coach and the players themselves would work harder to eradicate this growing problem.
However these punishments could also be handed out to players obviously feining injury or exaggerating in order to get an opponent sent off.
I answer to those who say "how can you prove if the attempted assasination(!!) hurt or not" simple, if a almost "dying" player "writhing in agony" can be carried to the touchline on a stretcher, have 3 drops of cold water applied as a "medical emrgency" and trot back onto the pitch seconds after watching the opponent recieve a card, surly this can be looked at after the game under the same degree of, lets call it what it is "CHEATING" with diving and gamesmanship.
It is a physical game for sure (and a great one), so let's act like "men" and get on with playing (fairly) what is and should always be a contact sport, not this ballet and rolling around which has become commonplace.
BAN THEM ALL, they are destroying the beautiful game.
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Good points made.
The thing that gets me is that divers and cheaters must know how daft they look to the population when the TV replays are shown.
Is it really worth a free-kick here, or at best a penalty, to be shown up as a weak-minded, poor-spirited sportsman?
I had talks with some friends during the World Cup about this. Why wait until after the match? My opinion is that a player diving should get an automatic red card and his team have a goal recorded against it. This might make players think a bit harder about diving,which to my way of thinking is one of the worst blights on the game!
I see FIFA as a little like Cuba. They both have an old dinasaur clinging to power by the skin of their teeth, with some twisted old fashioned mentality that everything was better in the 'good ol' days'.
Football is a multi billion dollar business that does not use available technology to improve the game for fans and teams alike. How many of us watched the world cup, not with the apprehension that our team would be #$%$even though they were), but that we would probably go out on the pathetically bad decision of a part time ref.
No...Just like Cuba will be the hottest desination for businesses and tourists alike when Castro pops his clogs, football will only be as great as it can be and brought into the 21st century when Blatter either shifts off this mortal coil or falls on his sword (if he had any honour at all after the world cup debacle).
I sent a similar suggestion to FIFA on the monday after we were knocked out by the portugese.
The only difference between my idea and yours is that I think that if they can resind a card after viewing it and it is deemed that the opposition player took a dive or orchestrated another player getting sent off. Then the cards should be resinded and the cheating player should recieve what would have been the other players punishment plus an additional match ban. Therefore should a team qualify through a knockout stage of any competition by causing a team to play with less men because of cheating, then the cheat could miss what maybe a possible final.
yes i do think they should be incouraged, also let the fa/uefa/fifa look at the replays for serious cases that were mised during the game. and dont just stick em with a silly fine and a match ban, they earn stupid money so take it! and give em at least a 5 match ban for sending off
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True what has been said earlier though - after the event doesn't help the team that was sinned against.
Someone will come up with the idea soon of giving the disadvantaged teams extra points.
Probably Mark Lawrenson!
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