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I have no grievances with your last point.
Lampard should be dropped - or retire - hopefully Mclaren has the balls to do this.
This experimenting should have been done in the friendlies and not now. Imagine what happens if Lampard is dropped and we get trounced!!
Lord!! It doesn't even bear thinking about. Mclaren would get a mauling.
I knew you were going to say that!
I agree, he should still be able to, but he isn't performing how he should be. I think we could get the best out of probably our best player by giving him this responsibility, aswell as Lampard being dropped. I don't think Terry would change either way.
I really don't have a problem with terry as captain so much but I do recognise Gerrards potential and importance to the team. Liverpool would be 10th if it wasn't for him. Chelsea are in 2nd only due to losing Terry. Thats the difference at club level anyway.
Brillaint! I was going to say Bobby Moore but you beat me to it.
Anyways on the Lampard point, I agree. I hope for his sake he is dropped or he retires. Just so that if England screw up he isn't the fall guy as that always seems to be the case.
On your scenario, I see what you mean and you have a point, a very good one actually. Although does Gerrad have to be on mute because he is not the captain?
Surely if we are pushing for the winning goal he can marshal the midfield? Does he need a captain's armband to do this?
Firstly can I just say that it is just my opinion that MAYBE Gerrard could do a better job. I like Terry a great deal, top class. Lampard is another matter altogether.
To answer your question, what could Gerrard do better?
Well look at this scenario, we are pushing for a winning goal, who will be best placed to drive the team on as captain, Terry stuck in defence, or Gerrard in the most important position on the pitch. I'm thinking Keane, Viera, Robson....
...don't even think of saying Bobby Moore! Our England side is fine defensively, they need some inspiration further up the pitch!
Fair enough, no one can take anything away from their CL win.
Terry on the other hand has just been as inspirational for us. His will to win at all costs is the reason why for much of this season he has been ravaged with all kinds of injuries. He is a natural leader and in looking at their records he has had the more success as a captain and has won more games than Gerrad. Maybe that is why he got the armband and not Stevie. Maybe, Maybe not, who knows?
I detest Liverpool as well but I think Gerrad is an awesome player, always have done and always will do.
But what is the point of taking the armband away from Terry to give it to someone who can do just as well and certainly no worse? Surely if you are going to demote Terry then the person stepping up should be able to do the job much better than him?
Like with Lamps, we are getting rid of him because Gerrad - according to popular opinion - can do the job better.
What would and/or should Gerrad do as captain - of England -that he should not already be doing when wearing an England shirt?
But doesn't that prove if anything how objective I am opposed to yourself? Unlike Chelski, I DO hate Liverplop! But Gerrard is an inspirational captain, you don't have to look at just their CL win, but their whole team is full of crap or average players, yet they stay in the top four solely because of him! If given the responsibility I think he could do the job at LEAST as good as Terry, certainly no worse.
On the contrary treble_mufc_99 I want him to retire from International football, that way he is fresher for Chelsea.
But you can't talk about Chelsea fans blinded by our love for him when everybody else is blided by their hatred for Chelsea.
I asked why Gerrad would make a better captain and you said maybe it is the Chelsea factor.
Just goes to show that it is nothing to do with their qualities or lack of as leaders but really which clubs are loved best in the land.
Lol, I don't hate Lampard, I can just be objective and see how crap he is! Gerrard worked great with Hargreaves, but you could see Stevie trying to get as far away as possible from Lampard because he's always in the way. Owen allowed him the space to perform as Englands best player. Lampard was just crap. If anything it is you chelski fans, blinded by your love for him who continue to argue that he warrants his place, when just about EVERYBODY else is saying otherwise!
I'm Irish so it might be good for you to hear an outsiders view - Erm... Lampard is the most over rated player in the Prem, you have Gerrard who is outstanding (and as a Utd fan that's hard for me to admit) and yet your last two managers insist on stifling him. You have Rooney, who the FA treat as if he was Englands cancer. Instead of doing the sensible thing, the FA gave him a 3 match ban for a pre season red card - would you want to perform for that shower of incompentence.
Going back to Lampard, how many times does the ball need to deflect before he scores??? A player hyped up by the media, like Ashley Cole, a traitor, liar amd overall panzy.
And Robinson?? Is that what you call a goal keeper? I know Foster is young but surely he's better than Robinson.
And your manager has no personality. Sam Allardyce was perfect for your country.
I'm not criticising England, not the typical Irishman who loves to see you get beat, I support an English club so I like to see England do well.
Now Ireland are a shambles as well, and our manager has no personality either so I guess our problems are similar.
Lampard is a problem, but not the only problem
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See once someone says 'Lampard is crap' their points straight away become invalid because its just because hes a Chelsea player.
Even lifeforms living at the bottom of ponds could see that Lampard is an excellent player, and this is NOT bias or rose tinted spectacles, I am not saying he is currently better than Gerrard, I am saying he is an excellent player, this isnt up for debate as it is proven by statistics and the fact he came 2nd in world player of the year 2 years ago. Its very easy to claim that anyone who says Lampard is excellent is Bias, this of course it utter crap, as I call players as they are. Lampard doesnt fit the current England set up I agree, this doesnt make him crap as neither does Rooney so by that logic it would make Rooney 'crap'.
(Rooney needs moving not dropping)
In responce to critisicm of Robinson, what exactly has he done wrong that is worse than what any other keeper has done?
Hes a great stop shotter, the best way have, and no way would we change our number 1.
again in responce to treble, we find it hard to take your points seriously when you label Lampard as 'crap' as it totally discredits you and means no-one can take you seriously. Like if I were to label Rooney or Gerrard crap, which I wouldnt because it would be ridiculous.
There's a price to pay for having the best league in the world... and the National Team will have to pay for it mate. And also... it looks like most England players use the international platform to show their individual quality, instead of fighting TOGETHER for the TEAM. And this is where we need a real LEADER... ON and OFF the pitch.
John Terry can't be captain... Mc Laren can't be manager, no way.
Gerrard Captain, this i would agree... but manager... ? Does england have any good one? Coz the top 4 premiership clubs have foreign managers. What a shame for the country of football. If there's anything more that needs to be changed, this has to be ATTITUDE!!
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