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It isn't at all clear to me that the people who have destroyed the Chelsea board are Chelsea fans. Pombal appears to be more a Liverpool fan, if he is a fan at all. Whoever they are, they represent only themselves, as I represent only myself and you likewise.
You just have to look at the Chelsea board here to see how many racists post on there. One or two have tried it here too( jose pombal) but have been given short shift. Pity the 'real' Chelsea fans haven't done the same.
Here is a link to events as originally reported on the BBC site as of 28/4/08:
The majority of statements made by various parties indicate to me that it is highly unlikely that racial insults were involved even though the Bethell character’s physical appearance as reported fits with the probable type. My thinking is that at least one Utd player would have backed up the claim in evidence.
To me it seems quite clear that Utd players did nothing wrong to begin with at least and for me the crucial part of the report is:
“It is understood United players took exception to being told they could not run on a muddy part of the pitch, even though Premier League rules say the playing surface must be made available to the opposition”
Which part was muddy and not muddy may have been subject to debate and it sounds to me like this jobsworth Bethell who is clearly not the most diplomatic character on earth told the players to move on in a not-too-polite manner. This is obviously what started the trouble. Other things may have been said but not proven.
The other important thing to note is that Evra also received personal injury, both physical and verbal:
United player Evra was punched at least once, ending up with a bruise and a small cut above his eye. "Patrice received a grave insult from a member of Chelsea's staff," United striker Carlos Tevez said. "He demanded an explanation and from that moment these men just wanted to attack Patrice. Obviously it is normal that we tried to defend our team-mate but within a few seconds all of the United players were surrounded by stewards.
"I think that security cameras will show the provocation we received. I have never seen anything like this in my career."
"Basically this came about because of the provocation of somebody who works for Chelsea," said United player Gerard Pique.
"Patrice wanted an explanation but these men were very aggressive. All we were doing was finishing our work-out after the game. Even now I just do not understand the reaction of these people."
Under the circumstances there is very little Utd can do even though I feel they have suffered at the hands of a very uncaring host. Apart from plotting along the lines of revenge, ie have a gang of heavies waiting for Chelsea to step one inch out of their legal grounds at OT or similarly provocating their players, whether or not they have stepped out of line, there’s not much left to do.
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it should be recognised that virtually none of the United players in the melee were actually involved in the match. and so had no specific need for a "warm-down". So, for you, the crucial part of it is that United players who had no need of a warmdown were insisting on running on whichever bit of the pitch they wanted to, inspite of Chelsea groundstaff wanting to repair it?
I think it very unlikely what regulations there are about this were envisaging that any arbitrary non-playing players from the away team should have a right to conduct what was really a training session on the home pitch.
I think the phrase "have suffered at the hands of a very uncaring host" should be set against the actions not only of the pitch invaders but also Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Ferguson and Quiroz. United were hardly shrinking violets attending a little girl's birthday party.
I think your ignoring something that ferdinand did before that...kick a woman for no apparent reason. although i find racism unacceptable, its also unacceptable the way the man utd players were so immature. I think both ferdinand and evra should be punished along with the steward IF he did say racist remarks...
" the FA ruled he attacked the Chelsea groundsman last season."
"However, an allegation that Bethell had 'engaged in racist conduct or language' was not proved and Chelsea were cleared of that charge."
Maybe you should start again and try to base your comments on what was determined.
If Patrice Evra gets a 4 match ban for defending himself against a racist scumbag, what punishment did Bethel get ? I would have asked this on the Chelsea board, but I doubt whether I would have got an unbiased reply. It's been taken over by the BNP.
and chelsea fail to deal with their employee, he probably got employee of the year as it was the only thing chelsea got over united, we rammed the cover up down your throats in may lol. maybe it will be a good idea for united to stop chelsea training in january the punch one of the coloured players and see what happens then?????????????????
Fabio is training again according to Fergie. We can probably manage until Patrice is back again.But once again the FA have shown how anti-United and incompetent/corrupt they are. Chelski were favoured by the ref. at Stamford Bridge and now this surely raises question marks about their integrity. Even if Gill is powerful at the FA I doubt he makes all judicial decisions on cases like this. If that slimy toad Kenyon bungs a few grand here or there I am sure things will fall Chelsea's way as usual with FA decisions.
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Gill is the favourite to take over at the FA. If we keep making these complaints about the FA (who have also taken United's side in many situations), what the hell are other fans going to say when Gill is in charge? Gill's power in arriving at this decision shouldn't be underestimated; any sign of weakness here wouldn't have helped him fulfill his ambition to take charge of the FA.
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