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I tend to think that the foul which got Gerrard sent off should be a yellow card. A problem with red carding fouls like this is that it is not done consistently. A straight red is a big penalty - it leaves the team short and there is a three match ban.
I cannot see why if Gerrard got a red why Rafael didn't get a red just before for his two footed jump in. Rafael's jump looks identical to the challenge made by Michael Essien against Fulham in November which got Essien a straight red:
I'm not a fan of the "Howard Webb always favours United" theory but it looks like three big decisions went United's way today, and that looks like what put United through.
If Carrick had ducked out/no contact from the tackle then I think Gerrard should have got a yellow and a warning to stay on his feet otherwise anything like that again and it'd be a straight red.
I don't think Rafael's challenge was bad. He thought about the lunge but stopped himself and pulled the jump back. So he clearly identified a potential problem. No way could that be a red or yellow. If he made contact with Mereiles, then (because of what I've just said), I'd give a yellow because it was a little on the hard side with the 2 feet being close together.
This is all about IFs and BUTs. And I think the ref got it right on what really happened.
Totally agree with the last sentence.
Rafael stayed on his feet, yes. So did Essien for his red card that I put up a clip for in the top post. Did you look at that? If Rafael shouldn't have had a red do you think Essien shouldn't either?
It wouldn't have been the same had Mereiles gone into the challenge with Rafael harder because Rafael stayed on his feet and barely left the ground. Gerrard slid in studs showing, that's the big difference. Had Rafael slid in studs showing (which he looked to stop himself from doing) then there would be a clear argument that he should have been dismissed, but he didn't, so he rightly wasn't penalised.
As to refereeing inconsistency, that will never improve until we start introducing the use of technology.
Carrick got hurt because he went in too. (Not his fault.) Mereiles pulled out and so didn't get hurt. If Carrick had ducked out but Mereiles hadn't, would you say the decision should be the other way around? (Most wouldn't, at least in principle.)
The quality of your abuse is unparalleled on this board.
The closest Terry came to murder and cards in the match yesterday was when the Ipswich number 7 (I think) hacked him down towards the end of the first half and was given a generous yellow card. If Terry hadn't intervened by putting his arm round the player and leading him away the ref might have given a red. Lampard scored Chelsea's third from the resulting free kick (although it was gven as an own goal to the defender in the wall).
Anyway, I wasn't having a go at Rafael. I was commenting on the inconsistency of refereeing.
A Chelsea fan questioning a United defender when John Terry gets away with murder every single game ? It will take a double-handed save by Terry for him to get a card. Wait a moment !!! . Terry already has made a two-handed save, and got away with it.
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rob i think u are being kind too webb.
if unsure he just seems to give it in utds favour.
remember this incident,
foward it to 4.40 & u will see gomes makes a clear save against carrick. the ball goes far to the left which should have been a clear indication to webb that the keeper pushed the ball away.
he was very far a way from the incident & his view was blocked, yet he still guessed that it was a foul & a pen!
rob, do u honestly belive if that had been at the other end he would have given spurs a pen?
what made it worse for me is that after the game he said his view was blocked & he couldnt see the incident so he had to make an educated guess.
if u cant see it, u cant give it.
heres another shocking decision the officials failed to see!
back to webb.
he sees this as a yellow
but gerrads as a red?
for me, de jongs is worse.
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