But what is Villa valuing the player at, and by what justification? I've heard on here estimates of 18 Million to be in line with Carrick, or as low as 16 M (some much higher, but think 30 Million is not quite realistic!). If this is accurate, why so offended at a bid for 15 Million. If you were selling you house do you really expect potential buyers to offer the asking price on their first offer? If you do, think you might of under valued your house, or don't understand how negotiation is supposed to work.