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Arsenal put the Yids in their place....
It could have been MORE if not for our wastefulness in front of goal.
Count yourselves LUCKY.
Spud will ALWAYS be in our shadows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched the youtube link, but I've seen that goal a lot. Fully admit Drogba did him ...
I watched the youtube link, but I've seen that goal a lot. Fully admit Drogba did him for pace, but for me Corluka didn't give up, got back well and put in a really good challange - he was desperately unlucky the ball happened to come back for Drogba and roll around the keeper. Lets face it, Corluka is very slow, but there aren't many defenders Drogba wouldn't do for pace. Wont argue the Cole goal though, he was fully at fault there. But for me, not the Ballack one. He wasn't totally blameless but for me it wasn't an individual error, more poor from our whole back 4. But I don't remember this one too well, so am ready to stand corrected.
The Zokora point was just to highlight that Corluka kept a lid on one of the most promising, quickest wingers in the country.
As for Johnson, I can't name the individual mistakes (except for the England howler) as I don't watch them enough - but I have a few Liverpool friends who tell me that, defensively, he isn;t cutting it and gets caught out a lot.
So we're not going to agree on Corluka, no harm in that, bit of debate is good. Now I just have to wait for the Sunderland game where he puts in 3 own goals so I can never show my face here again.
Agree with the other points though - I think if we can get Keane playing as a striker again we'll see the best of him. I know a lot want rid of him, and I can understand why, but he is doing a job asked of him I think. Hopefully if he can get back into the poisiton he's best at we'll see him fly, as he did when he got 4 a few games ago.
BAE - I agree we should stick with him. Showing pleanty of promise. A few casual errors, as you rightly say, but if he can get his concentration sorted I think he'll do well.
Re: 3-0......The gulf in CLASS was OBVIOUS
I predicted to lose 3-1 so was close. Firstly I think we have once again been overhyped b...
I predicted to lose 3-1 so was close.
Firstly I think we have once again been overhyped by all.
We have improved in some respect as a squad. Howevers I do not feel we playing consistantly all round strong performances.
Keeper Gomes ( not a problem, but would help if defence wernt so bad.)
King should not start. its about time we gave dawson a run in the first team. He gives 100% all the time and will improve even more with a good run.
Corluka. A joke. to slow for the prem. he runs like his trousers have fallen around his bloody ankles.
Ekotto; much improved, most consitant. would be even better in a more solid back four.
jenas: Get rid. Can someone please count how many times he gives the ball away with his slack passing.
Hudds; great against the lower teams: not good enough against the big teams.
Pav: he is mentally ruined. Has not adjusted to the change inculture and needed a long run inn the team ages ago. Too late to save him now i fear.
keane: needs replacing now. we cannot rely on him any more.
Crouch: good but ruins our style of play when starts games.
harry redknapp: I am worried his line ups are suspect. why buy Krancjar and play palacios on left. An absolute joke. i was stunned at the midfield that started. Wenger puts faith in the youngsters harry is not going to get performances until he shows faith or some balls to play a left footer on the left.
Arsenal still play some of the best football. Not because of the individuals but the team spirit and the faith Wenger has in his players ability.
UMMMM breath. Im ok seriously
old fan if u read my posts u will see i didnt start laying in to corluka until lee started...
old fan if u read my posts u will see i didnt start laying in to corluka until lee started defending him.
so i wanted to give lee my opinion on him.
we just have a difference of opinions on corluka.
in my original posts & infact before the arsenal match,i was saying we arent good enough & that we have many weaknesses that arsenal will expose.
drogba out paced & out muscled him, i dont think corluka was unlucky at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCuwlv0HvC4
in fact if im brutally honest he lost ashley cole for the opener & was no where for ballacks. so thats 3 in 1 match+pompey thats 4 off the top of my head.
i dont see how u can say he has made less mistakes then glen johnson. name me 5 liverpool mistakes he has made?
your example against young isnt great considering zokora was a cxentre mid playing out of position as RB, he would struggle as RB against most wingers.
i noticed u mented ekotto too, he still makes a lot of casual errors & doesnt close down the attacker quick enough but he has improved a lot & is still young so id still give him time.
glad u agree jenas isnt up to it. keep hudd as squad player & buy new CM in jan.
pav got 2 go. so new striker in jan too.
if gio fit id give him ago on either right or left as bentley not good enough & keane isnt a left winger.
I still don't agree, but we are entitled to our opinions. Quakes in his boots when an...
I still don't agree, but we are entitled to our opinions.
Quakes in his boots when anyone with pace attacks him? Again, I can't agree with that. When we played Villa Harry had Zokora filling in due to his pace, but Young skinned him alive. Corluka came on and shut him up for the whole game. There's more to a full back than pace. And I wasn't simplifying it by any means - you say he isn't good enough against the top teams, that was my argument to say he was. Arsenal are a top team, and he did his bit to keep them quiet. And he made quite a few great tackels. As he did against Liverpool.
Glen Johnson is prime example for me. For all his pace and ability on the ball he is pretty poor defensivley and has made more costly errors than a player like Corluka. And supposedly Johnson is one of the best. I still think there is room in the game for old fashioned full backs, rather than having the equivilent of two wingers. Obviously you don't and thats fair enough, I don't share that view point. I think he does his bit to support Lennon and I don't think his crossings as bad as you say either.
And please don't tell me I have to use my brain more and think of less obvious things than him playing well yesterday. Thats a bit snarky, esp when I have yet to see you highlight your argument with a vast array of facts. I've seen him play all season and, while I will admit sometimes he has been at fault, most of the time he is solid. I was using yesterday as an example, the same way you did with the Portsmouth game.
As for keeping Gunter - I think we got rid of him because we got in Naughton as the player to come through the ranks, who I am keen to see progress. Corluka's level of game is alround better than Gunter, and he has more experience. He went because he was surplus. Corluka clearly is not.
Again, I don't think Drogba made him look awful. If you're refering to his goal, well, there was a lot of luck in that and to blame Corluka for it, in my opinion, isn't really fair.
So we'll agree to disagree. If we have the chance of getting a truely great RB then I wouldn't be against dropping Corluka - I don't think he's perfect by any stretch, and I know there is better out there (as I've said, I'd like to see Naughton brought through as his replacment) - but for me we have much bigger problem areas to concentrate on.
SB - you really seem to have a hard on for Corluka - yes he's slow, and yes we could d...
SB - you really seem to have a hard on for Corluka - yes he's slow, and yes we could do better - and yes we get it that you don't like him after reading innumerable posts slagging the guy off. But there are another 10 men playing out there, and against Arsenal none of them really put in a good show, and we certainly did not play well as a team.
Did you use to date Corluka and he treated you poorly - I mean what's the deal? Let's face it, Hutton hasn't exactly shone like a bright star - perhaps we should bring in the young kid from Sheffield. I guess anyone that has pace - even if they have no positioning sense.
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