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HI Galway, not travelling today?
I wish I had your confidence, judging by our results at home to lower teams, I'll be on my knees praying.
Not really "of little faith" just a realist. You never know which team will run out onto the pitch.
I do think he should have stayed on his feet, yes, but tackling is obviously integral to football and referees mistakes like today are ruining it. Truth is, it was a great tackle and dealt with the danger, only for the ref to $%^& up!
have you even read and fully understood my posts b2s?
i wasn't advocating that daws stand off from him and let him make a run towards goal, i haven't said that daws was a prat either have i? not at all, i was stating that imo he should've marshalled him in the direction he was already taking(watch the clip again and you'll see quite clearly that he was starting a run for the byline, not towards goal), i agree totally about ah, where was he?
there were several mistakes made in that time, not least the fact that we were unable to retain possession and run the clock down.
the match should've been wrapped up and won long before the added time, we had the chances to kill the game off, defoes penalty miss etc etc etc. but it wasn't, again i ask the question, where did the extra 6mins come from?
all i'm saying here, is that imo, daws had a choice to either marshall him, or make a tackle from behind, as sfer has already said, again i reiterate, imo daws unfortunately made the wrong decision by making the tackle, that's all, nothing more nothing less.
so before you get on your high horse b2s, read and try to fully understand my post, before you start making smart arse comments, learn to be objective, not merely to have tunnel vision, also try to learn that others also have an opinion, and see things differently, that doesn't always agree with the way you see it, after all this is a forum to post your opinions on for open discussion, or is it? cos quite clearly you have neither the brain or the ability to do that!
for me daws has all the makings of a top class cb, captain as well, and i hope that he forges a strong partnership with bassong that will last a good few years for this club.
i've also stated in another post that with wiley as ref we're up against it anyway.
In that case then the FA (or FIFA/UEFA) should bring in video technology for doubtful penalty calls - similar to what they have in rugby and cricket. If those 2 sports can cope (and accept the decisions as they do without question!) then there's no reason football can't do the same.
I'm hoping that 'Arry will change the team for the replay at Elland Road - please NOT Jenas and maybe Pavy from the start instead of Crouch. If Lennon isn't fit then maybe a combination of Hutton at RM and Corluka at RB could work? Just my opinion of course ;-)
I think the reason we didn't get the Defoe penalty is simple B2S. The ref had already given us one chance and he was not man enough to award a second.
And on the point of penalties - I think defoe has missed enough. His skill is in taking spur of the moment opportunities and penalties are not his forte as he has too much time to think about it. On the park at that time the only one I would have trusted is Kranjcar but obviously he did not want it or the others did not trust him with it. Either way, who takes the next one should be thought about long and hard as we cannot afford to keep wasting them like we are doing.
Sorry SB, but the mistake was the ref's as Dawson clearly got a touch. I hear what you say about the risk, but most situations in the area have an element of risk. Andy Townsend gave it, but only because Dawson "didn't get enough of the ball". The rules do not stipulate how much of a touch you should get, only that a genuine attempt is made for the ball and Dawson's touch proves that he did. Townsend also failed to mention the very similar (and probably more clear cut) challenge on Daffy in the first half which failed to ellicit a penalty
Anyway,Harry did not say it was a pen, he said he accepted the ref's decision and that's clearly a different thing altogether.
Who I played for is irrelevent, at least I played the game and as such, I am able to recognise how difficult it is to make correct split second decisions everytime, more so when the game is at the highest levels. So I believe I'm slightly more qualified than any armchair critic armed with the benefit of TV. In any event, where was Hutton because he should have been the man involved with Dawson tight behind to provide cover.
Anyway Spursbabe I am not really having a go at you, but frustrated at the growing number of bad decisions, especially against Spurs just Lately. I mean, it's not as though we are dirty team, not by any stretch.
Cheers Sfer and John Locke for backing up my assessment, I was beginning to think I was outnumbered on this one.
As we have all said, it's easy to criticise from the armchair after you know the outcome.
Nobody is criticising the crucial (and brilliant) challenge Dawson made minutes earlier, when if he hadn't "dived in" it almost certainly would have led to a goal.
I wonder how many goals are prevented by timely intervention against those scored due to not taking the initiative and allowing the player his chance.
Can't have it both ways.
My point was to SB Jabba that there are times that a "sliding" tackle is the only way that you are going to reach the ball before a shot/pass is made. Do you disagree with this?
In this case I think you are wrong to suggest that Dawson had the option of "marshalling" him because had he had that choice I would like to think that he would have taken it.
Believe me, I wish he had that choice and not therefore given a penalty away but he didn't plus he made contact with the ball. You say it was reckless and needless BUT if he had not made the tackle and Beckford had shot and scored. I am sure you would have been (like ma nd lots of others) saying why did he not try and make the tackle.
It is a matter of opinion whether or not Beckford would or would not have been able to take a shot. Personally I think he would have got a shot in and on that basis I think he was right to go for the tackle.
I am sure you were a great defender Jabba (although I am not sure holding a Ref's badge is relevant here) and if you were you probably made tackles that gave away penalties. I know I did. You make the decsiion at the time and have to live with it.
i agree totally that a sliding tackle is sometimes the only way, but not here, he could've pushed him wide, hence my statement about marshalling him as opposed to the tackle, which are two entirely different concepts.
if as you say, beckford could've got a shot in, then from the angle he'd have had it would've been one hell of a goal if he'd have scored, gomes already had the angle covered.
i'm sure you've seen the tackle quite a few times but watch it again, http://www.eplmatches.com/2010/01/23/tottenham-vs-leeds-highlights/
then you'll understand exactly what i mean, beckford was already going towards the byline, making it easier for daws to marshall him, not make the tackle that had only one outcome, as much as it pains me to say it.
holding a ref's badge is relevant here, because the situation is addressed quite clearly and in detail about tackles in the area, and the directive is quite clear, if the defender goes to ground he must be adjudged to have made clear and absolute contact with the ball first, there must be no contact with the attacking player.
just to reiterate, daws went across him and slightly from behind which, given the situation with regard to time, made it a reckless tackle imo.
there's no doubt in my mind that daws thought he could make the tackle, or he would'nt have done so, i'm not knocking him for the tackle, i'm questioning his judgement on this occasion, he should have the experience now to know that in this situation he has to stay on his feet and push the attacker wide and hope the other defenders are taking the correct positions behind him.
anyway, mute point now, penalty was taken, converted yadda yadda yadda, i'm sure it will only add to daws learning curve and make him a better player.
Yes SB, I realise he could have blocked/jockeyed/rolled a fag etc. but as I said in the split second you have, you make your decision. He knew Beckford is a tricky, quick player and he reckoned he could make the tackle and he did as far as I'm concerned, but not according to the ref. On another day, delaying might have let Beckford in.
Just think about a few moments before the pen when Dawson made an absolutely suberb last ditch tackle to deny a goal scoring chance and if he had delayed that one he might have been taking flak for indecision.
As I said, it's easy to watch the replays and criticise. I used to play centre half and it's a position that does not allow time to ponder. What position did you play?
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