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I agree that strikers are there to score, not just to assist. A pair of strikers that assist each other is ideal and this is where I would disagree slightly, as I would say that VdV playing behind, has been a second striker. So Crouch acting as provider is what you would expect.
Even if you look back though, our strikers have never been in the 20+ (EPL) goals a season class. In 2007, with Keane and Berbatov, we only got 40 (Berba 15, Keane 15, bent 6 and Daffy 4) - so again that's pretty poor as a strike rate. (2006 was 12, 11,10 for Berba, Keane, daffy).
The problem is that our goals this season, where spread more across the team before, seem to be focussed into two or three non strikers OR strikers who aren't playing. That again is ok, as long as those players keep scoring (ie Bale goes onto score another 10) . I am concerned that the only striker (apart from VdV) who appears to be scoring is Pav - but he hardly plays.
I would prefer that our midfield (excl VdV) scored 25 between them, about 10 from the backs and 30-40 then from our strikers. I felt that is what 'arry was after - so we didn't rely too much on any one or two strikers and goals were coming from across the team. That seems to have dried up a bit and we haven't been creating loads of chances for a while - that's the bit I can't fathom - Bale has been flying, lennon has been getting better and Modric has been dominating - but we create few chances. How come?
i cant quite put my finger on it either john. the utd game is a good example. i felt we ...
i cant quite put my finger on it either john.
the utd game is a good example.
i felt we pretty much dominated the game & it was 2pts dropped.
BUT when i watched the highlightes we never tested VDS, in fact rooney tested gomes more than our whole team.
i think we need 4 strikers to compete through out a season.
which is why im pretty keen on crouch to stay as 1 of those 4 strikers as he can add something about diff & help create a goal.
i would want crouch to be 3rd choice in the pecking order.
unless we get someone else with height like carroll then we should keep crouch.
he is a good team player afterall.
but your right, u dont want him as 1 of your main strikers.
as u know im a defoe fan as he gives the defenders more work & at least he is making runs & getting in the box. his all round play as improved too.
he still hasnt had a run of 5 or 6 consecutive games yet so give him time.
keane just isnt up to it anymore.
& pav isnt bad but again i dont think he will ever be a consistant player even if he was made 1st choice striker all season.
the odd moment of goodness followed by being lightweight & non exsistant on the pitch.
at least crouch & defoe add something if they arent scoring.
pav adds nothing im afraid.
i think suarez would be the man for us. 23 & wants to come to the premiership.
also sell pav if we get any bids over 10m.
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...aaaaaarrrgh.... You say... '....he still hasnt had a run of 5 or 6 consecutive gam...
'....he still hasnt had a run of 5 or 6 consecutive games yet so give him time.
keane just isnt up to it anymore.
But you're judging Keane on less starts, less full games, more substitutions than daffy - why is it now ok to say '...give Daffy time...' simply because he's not scoring but to ignore my same argument for Keane? (Even more so for Keane - compare how many starts Keane was given and how many times he was given more than 20 minutes to come on, get the feel of the game and make an impact).
I've been saying for ages the problem started mid-way through last season.
John i think your point is valid, also i would agree with an earlier poster who said it do...
John i think your point is valid, also i would agree with an earlier poster who said it does not matter who scores as long as we score, fact is Modric is a class act theres no denying but personally i think he could chip in with 10 goals a season as should Lennon and if VDV and Bale score as they have done it would take the pressure off a little, but strikers are paid to score goals and we are not providing that service to the team.
John if you ever answer that question in the last paragraph, phone the F.A. and tell them ...
John if you ever answer that question in the last paragraph, phone the F.A. and tell them you need to be fast tracked! Then remember you're Spurs!
We have some of the most exciting player in the EPL imo, sadly we have some of the most boring strikers, the problem could be, they are all fairly predictable, sadly I think they may have been found out. Defoe (when on form) seems to be the only one with any dynamism, but maybe I'm biased?
I hope I'm wrong, beacuse wanting to completely replace your strike force when your club is only just outside the top 4 feels very negative, but I would do it tommorrow!
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Joe, I would agree that the finger points at our strikers, as when VdV came in, he sudden...
I would agree that the finger points at our strikers, as when VdV came in, he suddenly banged in a half dozen. But looking at it from a coaching point-of-view, if you're not providing, you won't score. How many chances did daffy have last game - 3? How many chances did you see created by our midfield? But where is that problem - in the fact that the strikers aren't making the runs and are taking up poor positions, or that our midfield just isn't making those killer passes? I repeat, I think it's two fold. One - when Crouch came back, we started playing more of a long ball - and Crouch can't hold that up. Now, with Bale and Lennon on form, we seem to play one striker up and one-behind, so we don't always have the targets in the box to hit.
Daffy was meant to come back and be the saviour - even 'arry expected him to start knocking in the goals. BUT - and I'll keep repeating this until it sinks in ;-), Daffy scores loads when he has loads of chances. He's like a shotgun, one of the pellets will hit the target - so if he isn't given loads of chances, the likelihood of him scoring drops alarmingly.
(PS - to the sound of groans - this is also why I think it was so 'wrong' to judge Keane - he came back when all this started. He was then subbed virtually all the time. If you look at how all the strikers performed, with the same pitch time, over the same period - he was no worse than Crouch. But hey-ho, he's going anyway.)