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i like to think we have enough gas in the tank to stay away from the bottom but i dont hold out much hope off finishing higher than 8th this term.
Im sure we will start picking up points soon i think arry will deff leave at the end of season to take up the england job and i hope levy as been working hard on finding a replacement.
But im just thinking that if we dont start picking up points soon arry will be leaving alot sooner than he thought.
We are all dissapointed about our transfer activity but constantly moaning about it will not change anything lets make the most of what we do have and get behind the team C.O.Y.S
Sad maybe, but at least its realistic.
With the strength of the competition I believe anything more would be a very good season.
I'm still confident we will see some amazing football matches regardless of final positions.
Yeah, currently we cannot compete with the top 4, certainly not financially and if that means settling for Europa league, then maybe that is more realistic and achieveable, for the time being at least! until we have a stadium or our own sugar daddy(kinda glad we don't)
Even in S.America (Luckily I've seen Botafago, Rio based team) a few times and the tracks definately affected my enjoyment of the games, Ok the crowd were going nutts, but the atmosphere was nothing like as intense. That intestity is one of the things I enjoy most about the lane. It swamps every sense I have, love it!
Sorry, I know I'm going to get pelters here, but I don't think Dawson is world class, good yes! on his day, very good, but he still makes errors, which Ledley (who I think is world class, when fit) wouldn't. I think Dawson could be World Class but that would rely heavily on a more domaneering centreback being signed and forming a partnership with Daws, I am full of optomism for His future with us though.
We aren't fooked, we are restricted.
I agree with what you are saying Graeme, maybe another year or two at Europa league standard, possibly winning it, before taking the step up to the 'big four' and staying there.
Whatever way it happens the stadium is a must like Joe says, but the OS is not the way to go. Correct me if i'm wrong but most stadium with a running track are in S.America where thay don't have seating and retain the atmosphere of the old grounds. Sorry, i just don't agree with Spurs moving to the OS, even though it has a lot of obvious plus points.
And back to the original thread: Dawson is world class, as is King, but Dawson needs a classic no nonsense 6' 6 CB who is fit consistently and who can form an ongoing reliable partnership with him.
I agree Graeme,
A stadium with a track would be a massive error for Spurs! It might work for some teams, less vocal or less used to an atmosphere, but trunning tracks kill atmosphere.... dead!
The OS stadium comercially is so much easier and there are many benefits, but I for 1 would be gutted if we moved there, despite it being easier for me to get to! I'd much rather a WHL revamp, a historically deprived part of london, crying out for investment and redevelopment, its where we belong and the right place for us to be IMO.
A stadium is absolutle priority as far as I can see, without a 50,000+ we will never be able to compete financially, If Levy had sold Modric for the sake of a stadium, I'd have accepted that! thats how important I think a stadium is for us going forward.
With regards to Centre backs, the topic of the original thread, I would have previously have agreed we need one. However we currently have:
Bassong and Charlie who can cover there!
5 CB's with a 6 possibility! thats alot of CB's, granted we need a regularly fit, lead CB, would Cahill have fit that mould? part of me feels he's tyo similar to Dawson, in that they're both better with a King/Gallas next to them, plus Cahill's asking price was madness! I reckon he'll be at the Goons by Jan!
If we are after a CB, my feelings are go big or go home! if we're in for one, get the best we possibly can, not one of a similar standard to what we have and INO Cahill is of a similar ability to Dawson/Kaboul.
Mamhudo Sakho (sp) of PSG would be amazing for us! I'll pop him on the christmas list!
Trevor, I know what you're saying that we'd love us to continue the good run we had whilst sorting out the new stadium. But I think that what we've done is demonstrate just how difficult it is to be in the Champions League and do well the Premiership to ensure you qualify for the CL again the next season. To do that you have to have immense quality in depth. That means more big-name players and more big wage-earners.
We need a consistently larger income to compete and that only comes from a significantly larger stadium complete with naming rights etc.
Tim, I know what you're saying, almost ready-made stadium etc but I genuinely believe that running track will detract from the atmosphere. I know we're one of the loudest sets of fans in the Premiership/any league but that track is a passion-killer!!
I sort of disagree with the WHL revamp - would prefer Levy swallow his pride and just agree to keep the bloody running track in the OS and move in the fall of '12.
I'm not buying the whole argument of people will not show up because the view will be terrible with a running track. There are plenty of stadiums out there that operate as football stadiums that have running tracks. Look at 'Estádio Olímpico João Havelange' in Brazil - the view doesn't look all that bad.
Sure the view from the top of the Olympic stadiums end caps might be bad but you can always heavily discount those seats or close the area of.
Add in the superior transportation links and the attractiveness of the venue and you open up opportunities in the off-season for other events i.e. revenue generation.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Get a stadium as quick as we can to keep the momentum going.
I share your point of view Graeme and believe this may be what Levy and the board are starting to prepare for, but you have to admit while doing this we'd all love to see Spurs continue with the good run we've been on over the last couple of years. If we can't, like i said, i'd accept premiership survival until it's done and dusted.
Getting to the point, i don't envy the board , Levy or 'Arry because the club still needs to spend money on players, the prices being inflated by PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc, just to stand still. A fine balance, i for one wouldn't like the headache.
I think they may have got the balance right this season, if that's what is happening, and the club should forget about the olympic stadium and announce the new site or the plans for WHL's revamp.
I guess what i'm asking is: how do you save money for a new stadium while keeping the fans happy and continuing to 'grow' the team?
I'm putting 2 + 2 + 2 together but may be getting 7!!
I think the wage bill has had to be chopped and the minimal amount of new faces in to save cash. The cahill deal didn't go through because - allegedly - we wouldn't stump up the extra 2 mill that Bolton wanted.
Levy must be getting to the point where he realises the Olympic stadium is a no-go irrespective of what the judicial review comes up with. Spurs didn't meet the criteria and thats all there is to it.
Modric is already out player and an integral part of the team, the fact that he's worth £40m+ is irrelevant. Its no good us having a sparkly new stadium if we're in the Championship, hence not selling our best players.
This all just my opinion but Levy and, probably more importantly, those above him know full well we need a bigger stadium to be able to raise our pay structure. In turn we'll be able to attract better players. No point paying through the nose for ok players in the meantime.
I believe we need a bigger stadium more desperately than getting into the CL next season. Maybe they're thinking the same and decided they might as well just get on with it.
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