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AVB = Perfect fit for Spurs, imo.
He will hate Chelsea just like the next Spurs fan on the line, maybe 'hate' isn't the right word and too strong in this context but what you would get with this appointment is he would always want to get one over Chelsea because of the way he was hounded out of SB.
Chuck in the fact that it is Chelsea who denied Spurs a place in the coming season's CL, and the bad blood between the two sets of fans start making more sense to outside observers.
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Well, the best of luck and here we go again as regards settling in. Full English breakfast etc, he'll be farting all day. Hope it all pans out in reasonable time for you guys and the man himself---he'll want cash and plenty of it to bring his targets in.
Well he wasn't my first choice but good luck to him.
We can only hope that he learnt his lesson about getting senior players on his side and that he spends whatever warchest he has wisely.
Could have been a lot worse - the Fat Spanish Waiter Benitez was mentioned and I would have been gutted if that had happened.
I'm just not sure that I understand all the hype that appears to surround him.
He's been in management, what, under 4 years? OK, he had one heck of a time at Porto, but then had a nightmare at the Chavs (although you could argue that that was largely down to the players - but if so, what is a manager for?).
That's my concern. He could have been a flash in the pan.
But I suppose I've seen enough managers look good at one club to then fail elsewhere to know that even experienced managers also fail. Time and tide I suppose. Hopefully, this will be Snakehouse's time to shine - and catch that wave.
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You're dead right about Ferguson being lucky, Fab. 12 Premier League titles and a sideboard full of other stuff bursting the doors off. Complete failure in my opinion, wouldn't have the useless tw@t at Hartlepool.
Well im astounded that Levy has appointed AVB tbh.
I would have prefered Blanc or Moyes i hope now levy gets behind AVB and backs him big time.
The rollercoaster ride starts again.
So being linked with a job is courting it?
I think if you find the quotes from 'arry, you'll see in quite a few, he actually says what you say you wanted him to say. IE that he has a great job at Spurs, great players etc... That's why I asked SB not to be selective and show 'arry's quotes in context. I'd guess that I can find more quotes where 'arry praises Spurs, the club, the ground, the players, the fans than when he actually mentions England - and that would be odd given the number of times, and for how long, the press/media connected 'arry to England.
Without knowing what was offered (if anything) in the contract, and what part of that offer (if anything) was rejected, how can anyone make a judgement about 'arry?
Well, if there's no smoke without fire then Moyes is manager of Spurs, and 'arry is manager of England and Kaka is going to Blackburn and we've bought all the players we've ever been linked with - oh and SAF retired four seasons back and ...... ;-)
Surely it is realised that in media terms,especially football reporting, 'smoke without fire' is the norm?
It's difficult to judge a 'good manager' isn't it? But that's the luck of the game (and life in general) isn't it? Being in the right place at the right time.
When 'arry was asked years back re the England job, he basically said that there are loads of 'English' lower Division managers that he thought could do a good job even at National level and knew about football. But, he knew as well as we all do, that they'll never get a chance.
AVB then has two seasons + in mainstream management, and is lauded as the next messiah. I think I'd prefer a manager who had been through a few ups and downs and learned how to treat/handle both success and failure (I suppose you could say that is what AVB's experience is on the nail!)
Irrespective of what was thought about 'arry at the end, AVB has
a thankless task ahead IMHO. I guess that 'most' will now expect 4th at least - so even if he does manage that, it won't be seen as the achievement that it is nowadays (with your bunch, the Chavs, Pool, Utd, Citeh and maybe with Toon and/or another dark horse all potentially in the running).
Wonder if AVB has ever been asked (or been linked with) the Portugal job ;-)?
John, good morning. As far as I remeber the papers were linking him with the Chelsea job, Liverpool and Monaco as well. "No smoke without fire"
When asked about the England job instead of just saying something like "It's the pinnacle of any "English" manager's career" he should have said something along the lines of "Well I have a really good job here at the moment with tremendous players and fans so I am pleased to be managing Spurs" But, being him who only thinks of himself, drops some obvious asides and let's all and sundry know he wants it.
We are discussing HR so as for Moyes, well sorry but I think that would have been a retrograde step anyway, also Hodgson is nothing to do with it either, so to me that's irrelevant.
Obviously I am not privy to such matters as "Terms of any contract" but suffice it to say it was reported in the majority of the press and no I don't believe all I read in there either!! But as it's said "No smoke without fire"
I don't think they write much - the AVB gets 3 year contract is just the 'arry story regurgitated, even including the £50m war chest - so it looks like cut and paste with a quick find and replace.
At least the AVB story has some substance behind it though.
What is now losing me is who is really buying the players, especially given the Gylfi bit. If 'arry was promised £50m, did he start things going back in March (somehow I really doubt that)? And Vertonghen - was that 'arry? Or did they talk to AVB prior to him signing and start the negotiations to buy the players he wanted (that would seem a bit risky should AVB have then not signed) - OR is it all controlled by Levy anyway?
I suppose another option is that whoever is left of the coaching team had input (is that just Tim Sherwood now, or are Sir Les and Clive Allen still there?).
Well, at least things are moving and are IMO looking 'positive' (I would treat inaction at this point as 'negative').
Interesting thoughts on the real reasons behind Harrys dismissal John and you could well be correct. Makes for a sound reason from what i can tell.
As for the 'Special one' being that special, i'm with you there too! Wasn't it Wenger who made a comment somewhere along the lines of ' anyone can produce a great team when given £100m!'.
I have made the point about Fergusons supposed 'greatness' many times elsewhere on these boards John. To my mind EVERY time Ferguson has had to compete with a club on near level ground with regards to funding he has lost out!
Think Arsenal when Wenger arrived, Chelsea first two seasons under Mourinho (before Abramovich started poking his nose in third sesason) and now the City situation.
IMO a huge amount of Fergusons achievments have been largely down to extremely fortunate circumstances regarding the competition he had to face, Chelsea and their overactive owner, Arsenal and their stadium move and yes, injuries and departures in recent seasons.
When Ferguson could walk out and buy the best players is it little wonder that he built great teams and won silverware?
Not to my mind.
We all have our different ideas as to why he was sacked - I still think that the main reason was that his player policy wasn't what Levy et al wanted. The Levy current comment re AVB emphasises bringing youth on - that I think is where 'arry's clashed. 'Arry 'seemed' to build teams on players who fitted or fixed a problem, rather than planning a team for 'n' years hence. Gallas did really well for us, Parker is/has done the same, Ade, Nielsen, Bassong, Saha .... players who came in to fix a problem rather than being necessarily 'future'. However, that is a guess, as 'arry'd transfer policy may have been limited by financial issues anyway, so what I'm basing my opinion on (ie the transfers in) may just have been a symptom of other club issues.
I think the England episode/post Christmas results were just a catalyst - both giving 'excuses' that could be seen as possible reasons for sacking him.
Was the Special One all that Special? I'd love to see be able to switch managers round and give say SAF Bournemouth to manage for a couple of seasons - and give someone like Poyet Utd etc. The Special One to Hartlepool.
I also think that 'arry was partially right about how the game is played - it's a simple game - if you have a squad of players who 'know' how to play, then the manager's involvement is small. Imparting a style, getting the balance of the team and players right. Blending personalities and playing styles.
Did he SB? Did the press ask 'arry or did 'arry phone the press?
Id you look at the discussion with LTS you'll see that I also can't find a quote where Spurs offered 'arry a new contract in Feb/March - can you point me at one?
Do you think that it's that bad to ask for a contract extension when you enter the final period? Is it wrong for Woolwich to ask RVP or for Spurs to ask Bale/Modric or whoever to sign extended contracts? I'm a bit lost as to why its wrong for the manager, but ok the other way round.
Isn't what 'arry said true - ie you don't leave players til the last year and if Spurs wanted to keep 'arry, then the same applied (that's paraphrased by the way) - but it was up to Spurs, if they wanted to offer a contract then fine.
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