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Im with you on this John Premiership players get paid an obscene amount of money and sign legally binding contracts but clubs seem to scared to drag a player through the court for breech of said contract.
Why is this? is it for reasons i just cannot understand?
recent examples: Berbatov/VanPersie/Fabregas/Modric
has player power finally become greater than the clubs they play for? have clubs become to scared to stand up to a player? are contracts just not worth the paper they printed on anymore?.
Football seems to be heading down an ugly road were players rule the game and do what they want when they want i think it is time clubs started standing up for themselves and taking a player to court and letting them rot in the reserves for breech of contract otherwise we will see this trend continue.
We saw last season player power wrongly get rid of Villas Boas at Chelsea.
Before that Fabregas hold Arsenal to ransom before that Bebatov stab my beloved Tottenham in the heart.
Before that Sol Judas Campbell Shove it to us and walking away on a free.
this will go on and on aslong as Clubs let players get away with it it's about time clubs took back the power in football grew a pair and stand up to contract rebel players that is the only way football will move forward.
The game is turning into a ugly scene were players demand far to much money have over inflated transfer fee's agent's become more and more corrupt and more and more clubs go out of business because the cost of competing is to great and player power destroy's clubs.
Were does this end? the death as football as we know it? it's not about what club you support but about the 'DEATH' of the great game of football as we know and love it and club after club going out of business trying to keep up with supporter demand for sucess and bending over backwards to please a player that is shafting the club in the long term............
Coincidentally I was thinking about this earlier today (the bigger picture of player power...
Coincidentally I was thinking about this earlier today (the bigger picture of player power I mean).
I think you should be careful when talking about 'refusing to play'; Modric has refused to play in America, he didn't travel. Tevez obviously refused to play last season. To the best of my memory Berbatov didn't refuse per se, Jol didn't select him as he - probably rightly - didn't think he'd put the graft in. I've definitely been to work and not put the graft when I've been annoyed with my bosses (I'll do it tomorrow!); I'm not saying it's right but it's different to outright refusing.
Clubs don't drag them through court because what would be the point? Practically speaking there are loads of stages to go through before that (docking wages etc), and doing something so hostile would destroy any chance they may have of rebuilding the relationship with the player. If the player leaves, part of their leaving deal will be to forego any breach of contract, the lawyers'll get that one in for sure.
I actually think there's been a turn in the tide on this; things like the response to Modric last year and Tevez have shown a willingness for clubs to put their feet down, and it's been recognised that it's gone too far. The Modric situation will be very interesting in seeing what happens next, and for that as much as anything I'd like him to stay (although clearly he's offski).
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NBR, It's a difficult one for me, but I think on the whole, the players who refuse to ...
It's a difficult one for me, but I think on the whole, the players who refuse to play or train or come on as sub or......IMO, are (have been so far) in the wrong. I just can't equate their 'plight' with say nurses, when their pensions are changed.
The players, AFAIK, didn't have a change of working condition. OK, they may have had a change of manager, but that is to be expected in all walks of life. I could semi understand it, if the club was being relegated, but even then I would expect a player to see both the highs and lows of a club as part of playing there.
Maybe if it was turned round and the club simply refused to pay the player or play him - what would the player be saying - a:
'....sorry blah, we don't want to pay you this month as the board doesn't think its head is in the right place to effect the bank transfer.....'.
As with all things like this though, I can't quite grasp where that invisible line is. Am I objecting simply because the players are paid so much - and if so at what point does the salary money then make it right/wrong for a person to withhold their labour (£200 a week? £500 a week? £1000 a week....?)?
I think in this case I object, not because of the money they're being paid, but simply because I don't think that 'wanting something else' is a valid reason for this type of action. I don't think that '....I am ambitious, and I now want to play for blah.....' is anywhere near a good enough reason.
i disagree. well i would, wouldnt i. i reckon after last summer when modric asked to leav...
i disagree. well i would, wouldnt i.
i reckon after last summer when modric asked to leave, levy convinced him to stay on 1 more to prove we can get back in the CL & compete.
he promised to let him go if we didnt.
we didnt, yet he still isnt letting modric go.
u may say he is, but by asking for 40m he isnt.
thats an unfair price tag.
modric stayed on a year out of good faith.
in the end he wasted another year of his short career on us.
& he doesnt want to miss out on playing CL football again.
i now it will be hard for some of u to accept, but he deserves to be at a much better team than us.
good luck modric. u we're superb for us.
at least we save money on his wages because of his actions.
levy is playing a dangerous game. force an unhappy modric to stay would be silly. he wouldnt give his all or play as well.
his value would plummet too.
but it all depends on what is being offered.
if madrid are offering 27m, than i agree thats too low.
30m with adds on taking it up to 35m sound fair.
BY, I don't think it's the money side that pees me off. That's just a fluke of...
I don't think it's the money side that pees me off. That's just a fluke of the business they happen to be in.
It just seems wrong that a player, who has agents to advise him, signs a contract (and these contracts cover early release, exceptional circumstances etc) and then just simply says '....I now want blah, so I'm feeling aggrieved and I'm going to stop working until you let me have what I want.....' - and totally ignores what they've signed.
If they have doubts, then don't sign a long contract. Build in get out clauses - a contract is a two way thing. It's not beyond the wit of man. It's not like a standard employment contract, where an employee has no say and it's a case of '...take it or leave it...'.
But I bet, the players go for the long contracts, because the clubs say '....look, if you sign for 4 years, we'll give you an extra £10k pw...that's £2m....' .
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Two things - firstly the players in the cases quoted, and this is usually the case in thes...
Two things - firstly the players in the cases quoted, and this is usually the case in these high profile events, are so rich they don't care about being taken to Court and anyway, whatever new deal they are trying to get from another club would cover the cost of losing in Court anyway.
Secondly, there is a huge difference between say a Nurse witholding their labour and a PL player - the PL player is an asset that is worth a LOT of money to the club and therefore the power siuation is very different. Nurses are not for sale.
Presumably if a club took a player to Court for reneging on his contract the worst that could happen is the player has to pay up whatever is in the contract salary wise plus a small compensation amount, but that negates it leaving the player to walk away without a fee for his sale to another cluib. We are talking millions here.
The problem has grown in line with the huge increases in how much these guys get paid. It won't go away now as there is little chance of any massive rebellion by the PL clubs and salaries being renegotiated downwards to a more realistic level. Face it, PL players are now in control and only the very few that have any sense of dignity will act honourably.
The only mitigating factor is that anybody employed on a contract for services always has the threat of that contract being terminated. For every case where the player forces a move by witholding labour there are probably hundreds of others (albeit in the lower divisions but not necessarily) that get laid off without any compensation. This could be through injury or, and I know this personally, because someone somewhere decides they are not good enough. It doesn't make what Modric is doing right of course but it does put a slightly different light on it.