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  • Player Power

    Jlock by Jlock . Jul 22, 2012 11:42 . Permalink
    Jlock

    I'm in two minds here.
    Generally, I feel that it is anyone's 'right' to withhold labour. Typically though, I think that the option should be used with caution as it is last resort to use when being 'oppressed' or when your employer changes your working conditions.

    I find it difficult to see 'oppression' in an EPL footballers case though. They sign contracts. The contracts are for a period of time and for a value. They are aware of all the conditions at the outset. The conditions tend not to change - and if/when they do the contracts appear to be re-negotiated and extended in the players favour.

    I'm then at a loss at the recent spate of players that seems to think it valid to withhold their labour - whether that's manifested in not training, not coming off the bench....blah blah. I just don't see that they have a leg to stand on.

    If a player wants to leave a club.. Fine. If the chairman/manager persuade him to stay. Fine. If he then subsequently wants to leave because of changed circumstances. Fine. BUT in all that he has to realise that he has a contract that he agreed to. If the chairman/manager promised him 'stuff', then his agent should have seen to it that those promises were added as clauses to the contract. That is what the agent is there for.

    The 'my head isn't right' bit is a bit galling. Even if a player is on £1000 a week it's galling - let alone £10,000 pw....If a player isn't sure about the future, then sign a shorter contract or have safeguards built in that allow you to leave should x or y occur.

    • Jlock

      Re: Player Power

      Jlock by Jlock . Jul 24, 2012 14:29 . Permalink

      Sfer, I don't recall forcing you to read my posts or even forcing you to reply. AFAIK,...

      Sfer,
      I don't recall forcing you to read my posts or even forcing you to reply. AFAIK, you chose both those actions.
      If you don't want to 'discuss' anything with me, then don't. That's quite simple as far as I can see.

    • Berkshire Yid

      Re: Player Power

      Berkshire Yid by Berkshire Yid . Jul 22, 2012 15:52 . Permalink

      Im with you on this John Premiership players get paid an obscene amount of money and sign ...

      Im with you on this John Premiership players get paid an obscene amount of money and sign legally binding contracts but clubs seem to scared to drag a player through the court for breech of said contract.

      Why is this? is it for reasons i just cannot understand?
      recent examples: Berbatov/VanPersie/Fabregas/Modric
      has player power finally become greater than the clubs they play for? have clubs become to scared to stand up to a player? are contracts just not worth the paper they printed on anymore?.

      Football seems to be heading down an ugly road were players rule the game and do what they want when they want i think it is time clubs started standing up for themselves and taking a player to court and letting them rot in the reserves for breech of contract otherwise we will see this trend continue.

      We saw last season player power wrongly get rid of Villas Boas at Chelsea.

      Before that Fabregas hold Arsenal to ransom before that Bebatov stab my beloved Tottenham in the heart.

      Before that Sol Judas Campbell Shove it to us and walking away on a free.

      this will go on and on aslong as Clubs let players get away with it it's about time clubs took back the power in football grew a pair and stand up to contract rebel players that is the only way football will move forward.

      The game is turning into a ugly scene were players demand far to much money have over inflated transfer fee's agent's become more and more corrupt and more and more clubs go out of business because the cost of competing is to great and player power destroy's clubs.

      Were does this end? the death as football as we know it? it's not about what club you support but about the 'DEATH' of the great game of football as we know and love it and club after club going out of business trying to keep up with supporter demand for sucess and bending over backwards to please a player that is shafting the club in the long term............

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      • not_blonde_really

        Re: Player Power

        not_blonde_really by not_blonde_really . Jul 22, 2012 17:47 . Permalink

        Coincidentally I was thinking about this earlier today (the bigger picture of player power...

        Coincidentally I was thinking about this earlier today (the bigger picture of player power I mean).

        I think you should be careful when talking about 'refusing to play'; Modric has refused to play in America, he didn't travel. Tevez obviously refused to play last season. To the best of my memory Berbatov didn't refuse per se, Jol didn't select him as he - probably rightly - didn't think he'd put the graft in. I've definitely been to work and not put the graft when I've been annoyed with my bosses (I'll do it tomorrow!); I'm not saying it's right but it's different to outright refusing.

        Clubs don't drag them through court because what would be the point? Practically speaking there are loads of stages to go through before that (docking wages etc), and doing something so hostile would destroy any chance they may have of rebuilding the relationship with the player. If the player leaves, part of their leaving deal will be to forego any breach of contract, the lawyers'll get that one in for sure.

        I actually think there's been a turn in the tide on this; things like the response to Modric last year and Tevez have shown a willingness for clubs to put their feet down, and it's been recognised that it's gone too far. The Modric situation will be very interesting in seeing what happens next, and for that as much as anything I'd like him to stay (although clearly he's offski).

      • Jlock

        Re: Player Power

        Jlock by Jlock . Jul 23, 2012 07:55 . Permalink

        BY, I don't think it's the money side that pees me off. That's just a fluke of...

        BY,
        I don't think it's the money side that pees me off. That's just a fluke of the business they happen to be in.
        It just seems wrong that a player, who has agents to advise him, signs a contract (and these contracts cover early release, exceptional circumstances etc) and then just simply says '....I now want blah, so I'm feeling aggrieved and I'm going to stop working until you let me have what I want.....' - and totally ignores what they've signed.
        If they have doubts, then don't sign a long contract. Build in get out clauses - a contract is a two way thing. It's not beyond the wit of man. It's not like a standard employment contract, where an employee has no say and it's a case of '...take it or leave it...'.
        But I bet, the players go for the long contracts, because the clubs say '....look, if you sign for 4 years, we'll give you an extra £10k pw...that's £2m....' .

    • not_blonde_really

      Re: Player Power

      not_blonde_really by not_blonde_really . Aug 8, 2012 09:00 . Permalink

      Re Rose: it was the second half of last season on Twitter, got to the point it was so blun...

      Re Rose: it was the second half of last season on Twitter, got to the point it was so blunt BAE asked him outright if he was looking for a move. His account's now been closed...

    • Jlock

      Re: Player Power

      Jlock by Jlock . Aug 8, 2012 10:16 . Permalink

      I'm just never sure with these 'rumours' if it's down to people having to ...

      I'm just never sure with these 'rumours' if it's down to people having to fill column inches, whether in print or on blogs etc or if they just like causing hassle.

      Yahoo is showing two different 'rumours' re Modric's transfer stall over value. One (the Sun?) shows completely different figures to the other (Mirror). Millions different.

      The problem with all of this is that it isn't 'open'. I still advocate having a central body controlling transfers. A place where offers can be lodged and seen. A place where clubs can register players that are also open to transfer and the min offer value that would be accepted (the old transfer list). I would also advocate that any offer has to go through this body - to save tapping up allegations. But then that would stop the press having a field day and selling papers.

      We don't know why AVB hasn't bought (maybe down to Levy not providing money or the right player not being available or our wage structure or the player not wanting to come to us...etc), just the fact that we have so far released Saha, Krancjar, Corluka, King, Nelsen, Pienaar, Alnwick (and the end Ade's loan term) and brought in Vertonghen and Sigurdsson.

      I'm not sure what Levy hopes to achieve with Modders either. If he ends up staying, then fine'ish (as he signed a contract to stay until what, 2016?), but aren't the buying clubs diminishing? Will RM wait, or simply buy a.n. other player? The Chavs bought 20 midfielders and no longer appear to be in the market. Utd may be - but will they wait and isn't £40m now a bit steep for them? So it seems that Modders £40m valuation (if true), is really a '...we're just not going to sell him...'. It's a really tricky situation. I just hope Modders is the professional and carries on (as he should).

    • Jlock

      Re: Player Power

      Jlock by Jlock . Aug 8, 2012 10:23 . Permalink

      I'm just never sure with these 'rumours' if it's down to people having to ...

      I'm just never sure with these 'rumours' if it's down to people having to fill column inches, whether in print or on blogs etc or if they just like causing hassle.

      Yahoo is showing two different 'rumours' re Modric's transfer stall over value. One (the Sun?) shows completely different figures to the other (Mirror). Millions different.

      The problem with all of this is that it isn't 'open'. I still advocate having a central body controlling transfers. A place where offers can be lodged and seen. A place where clubs can register players that are also open to transfer and the min offer value that would be accepted (the old transfer list). I would also advocate that any offer has to go through this body - to save tapping up allegations. But then that would stop the press having a field day and selling papers.

      We don't know why AVB hasn't bought (maybe down to Levy not providing money or the right player not being available or our wage structure or the player not wanting to come to us...etc), just the fact that we have so far released Saha, Krancjar, Corluka, King, Nelsen, Pienaar, Alnwick (and the end Ade's loan term) and brought in Vertonghen and Sigurdsson.

      I'm not sure what Levy hopes to achieve with Modders either. If he ends up staying, then fine'ish (as he signed a contract to stay until what, 2016?), but aren't the buying clubs diminishing? Will RM wait, or simply buy a.n. other player? The Chavs bought 20 midfielders and no longer appear to be in the market. Utd may be - but will they wait and isn't £40m now a bit steep for them? So it seems that Modders £40m valuation (if true), is really a '...we're just not going to sell him...'. It's a really tricky situation. I just hope Modders is the professional and carries on (as he should).

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