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Just to stick my oar in!!
When Mancini took over at Citeh, people moaned they were defensive and how slow the build up etc. Look at them now.
I know our defence is weak but we are without Kaboul, Bae, Parker, 3 main players, so I will hold judgement on AVB on that.
The players are new to him, they are new to each other too. Soo many gone and 5 new ones arriving in the summer.
He has a different way of playing and I don't think our fitness levels are up to speed to play it yet. So maybe that's why the slow build up play from us most of the time.
Yes some iffy substitutions ( bringing on a defensive mf when we are 1 goal up ) and only ever one striker but so many injuries haven't helped.
I think the only reason Hudd is playing is because of these injuries and (AVB man-management) AVB says to the press how great he has been. Giving him a gee-up.
I think it will take some time and lots of patience from the fans to see any fruition from AVB's tactics and playing style.
But after all is said and done this is supposed to be "A long term project" whether we like it or not!!
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And IF, and it is of course only an IF, the AVB experiment goes even more wrong and we are languishing in the wrong half of the league what price your loyalty then?
IF, there were signs that AVB tactics were working and that the team were gelling and the senior players were publicly coming out in support of AVB - and if he had some sort of track record that supported his success at implementing a new playing strategy in other top flight teams - I would be happy to give him more time.
Your loyalty is based on what exactly? The thought that we are Gentlemen and it would be ever so slightly rude to ditch the poor fellow so soon??
Yes OBRN got a few years of not doing very well at Manure to start off with but that was a different era and Manure had not done that much before so the expectations were very different (can you imagine plain old Alex Ferguson being given 5 years to win anything now if he took over Manure given their recent successful years?), so we can't keep harking on about him and using his time as some sort of ideoligical nirvana.
I won't try and hide it, I don't like him and I am sure that is partly why I would get rid asap but, trying to take my dislike out of the equation, no one has yet to give me any sound reasons (other than it would be rude to ditch him so quickly) for him to be given any more time. Yes, as I have said, we would get some flack (mainly from the Premier League Managers Association) but that would be forgotten quicker than one of Hudds very rare 50 yard successful passes.
Only time will tell.
Hi sfer, I only saw the MOTD highlights and their pundits chat focused entirely on Citeh, so can't comment too much.
I wasn't surprised AVB played with one up front considering Man City's strength in midfield. He could have risked 4-4-2 but then we could have been hammered.
I am more than prepared to give him until he gets all the players back and has a full squad to pick from. I also sincerely hope Levi buys the players AVB wants to play his style of play, instead of buying players hoping for profit.
Fair enough people judging on personalities, but a lot seem to be judging on whatever went on at Chelsea without having insight. I dont care if he has the personality of a damp squid as long as he's successful for us, and we wont know that until he's had time.
Remmah makes so many good strong points in this response,
Having been absent for some days (did ya miss me?) due to some rather more pressing matters, I have very similar opinions to Remmah on this issue.
IT IS TOO EARLY TO JUDGE THIS MAN!
He has not been given enough time/resource or support!
But doesn't the fact that so many faithfull, previously loyal supporters are unhappy enough to boo prove that in thier opinions something is seriously wrong? They were not booing the team - they were booing the tactics used which resulted in a loss against a team that most would expect to beat. Booing AVB.
I don't agree with booing as it is obviously impossible to filter out booing the manager and booing the team but what other way is there to display your frustration especially after you have paid a lot of money to watch your beloved team? Boycott the place, become a shareholder?
Hi remmah - I hope your Grandson won his game.
You obviously didn't watch the game. "reasonable controlled containing performance"?? It was very poor, negative stuttering and unattractive. Yes Ade can hokld the ball up better than Defoe- that is a given, hasn't stopped AVB playing Defoe up front all on his own most games so far though has it?
Ade did well, tried hard and did hold the ball up - the problem was (as it is when you only play with one striker) he could not hold the ball up long enough for any other player to help suport him so more often that not our attack fizzled out very quickly and we were back under pressure. Sandro did ok at getting his tackles in and Freidel played ok but apart from that the rest looked either that A)they couldnt be bothered or B) they were confused as to what they should be doing or C) they had been on the pi$$ the night before.
Of course Professional players should be able to adapt and perform but in my expereince, too many changes, a couple of games were the new tactics have failed and a fundamental lack of faith in the Manager telling you what he wants, leads to this type of performance.
I think 6th or 7th is very optimistic remmah. At the moment, by playing one up front (and if it is Defoe as seems to be AVB's choice) we are always short (excuse the pun) of players in the box. We seem to adopt a huge U formation...
Walker Gallas Caulker Vertonghen
Sandro Hudd A N Other
I know what you are saying about Modric but he got some stick last year for not performing as welll as he was expected to plus he got injured. Sig and Demeble were bought to fill his boots. Sig has not performmed and Dembele has been injured - the problem is I am not sure how AVB would play them even if they were available/performing. I don't miss VDV as he was unreliable and always playing at CB anyway.
Citeh did not play well and if we had the right tactics, formation and attitude we could have won that game. Yes I do blame AVB.
"I thought SB was up in arms most of last season because Daffy wasn't playing as regularly as she'd hoped."
yes i was. i dont see your point?
i dont want defoe playing isolated on his own upfront.
i dont know why im bothering with u again.
u make silly stupid arguments.
There's the dilemma with Daffy. When Daffy scores, it's a case of - '.... told you Daffy could play alone up front....'.
Then when he doesn't score it becomes '....poor old Daffy, isolated up front..,how do you expect him to score?..'. Even though the method of play may have been changed to suit Daffy (ie Bale, Lemmon getting closer to him).
I thought the issue has been that AVB keeps playing Daffy alone up front? That has been the pattern virtually all season?
In my opinion and as stated many times before, in Daffy's case (and players of his ilk), when they score they look good. When they don't, they lend little (pun intended) to the team. Personally, I prefer players who provide a bit more.
You blamed part of the current predicament on Levy not buyiong the players that AVB wanted. That definitely implies that Levy was not doingg his job properly which in turn says he has been poor at his job.
Do you really think that AVB accepted the job knowing that he would not be responsible for signings? If he did then more fool him. If he didn't know then he should have damn well asked surely and if he accepted anyway well - more fool him.
As you can see in my reply to remmah, I agree players should be able to just get on with it but we all know that does not always happen does it. Mostly these are the same players we had last year so you can't say "its the players fault" and exhonerate AVB. Its his job to get the players motivated, up to speed with what he expects of them and what they should be doing - he obviously didn't do that last weekend. He chooses to leave an isolated striker up front, he chooses to replace a striker and he chooses to stack the defence and MF. As far as I can tell Manure have had the same number of injuries as us but they seem to be doing ok don't they.
Again, I have said several times, I am not complaining about the number of points we have (although I think we have been lucky to get some of them) but I am complaining about the way we are playing and that is down to AVB and all of the above.
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