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Who scoresother than Henry....it aint Rosicky clowns!
Despite what agrieved commentators or some sections of Arsenal’s support may think, the problem with the club’s horrific start to the season is not an unwillingness to shoot.
21(11) shots to Aston Villa’s 5(3), followed by 20(6) to Manchester City’s 10(3). Arsene Wenger’s men are averaging the same number of shots on goal as Premiership top scorers Manchester United.
Obviously, the issue is finishing. Watching these matches saw Arsenal take apart their opposition like they have for years, the only difference is that the breathtaking moves have been capped off by a less than clinical effort. It’s especially worrying that the source is not wayward form of established Premiership players but lack of production from new signings on whom the club will need to rely on heavily.
Two key things have been constant during recent years at Arsenal. One, the club has had no striker who can consistenly take on some of Thierry Henry’s goalscoring burden. Two, they have continued to succeed despite this glaring reliance because their midfielders scored shed loads of goals. Henry’s left hand man Robert Pires and Freddie Ljunberg outscored most Premiership strikers for years by cutting in from the wings, combining for over 100 goals for the club in less than 400 matches.
But Pires has gone off and maimed himself at Villarreal while Freddie is on the decline. The former is replaced by Tomas Rosicky whose two stunners against the USA has blinded many to his relatively poor goalscoring record at Dortmund (19 goals in 149 games). Hleb replaces Ljunberg and, while still settling, is still better known for his nifty footwork and shown few glimpses of an eye for goal.
Both players have certainly shown they are more than capable of fitting into Arsenal’s short passing game, but neither the ability to pop up at the end of the move to finish as their predecessors did with regularity. That isn’t to say they won’t develop the skill under Wenger’s guidance, but for those thinking that this season would mark Arsenal’s return to dominance, Thierry Henry included, might need to be a bit more patient.
With the Frenchman himself struggling for form and fitness, this glaring weakness in Wenger’s tactical system is being cruelly exposed. And just as Sir Alex took a couple of years to regroup from the break up of Giggs, Scholes, Keane and Beckham. It will be very interesting to see how Wenger and Arsenal react if they struggle to replace Pires, Ljunberg and Vieira.This topic is deleted.
A good post from our old friend Roonaldo (although I'm sure it was cut and pasted from somewhere) and it does highlight some very good points. The key to the article is that all Gunners fans need to be patient and trust in what Wenger is doing. The man's record is unblemished and will stand the test of time.
We are only 2 games into the season so there is no need to panic. No-one should look at league tables this early either. If we were playing poorly I would be concerned but we should have swatted Villa and Man City aside as the football has been great but we've been let down by a lack of composure in front of goal. This is something that afflicts ALL teams at one time or another.
Henry would have finished the chances he had on Saturday in his sleep normally, he's just a little of the pace at the moment. The lack of goals from midfield was a problem last year and is a situation that Wenger needs to address. Otherwise we look OK and will improve as time goes on. No point being disheartened in August is there?!
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I am not too bothered just because we lost 2 games because I did not expect us to win the league with the team we have compared to the major opposition.
However, I will like a progression from last season - that is, we address the issues and sort things out quickly.
In the last 3 seasons, the winners of the league have not dropped many points at the start or even by half-way into the season. Any team that drops more than 10 or more points by Xmas can forget the league.
Remember, we went unbeaten in 2003, Chelsea rarely lost (they kept with us until we lost as ManU) and last year, they had really won the PL before the started losing.
The last team to turn a deficit late into the season was ManU and that was against us 4 years ago.
id be supirsed if wenger pays 17m for him.
i also agree with your point about people over exaggerating wengers transformation of players. they make out they were unproven amateurs which he turned into superstars. henry & bergkemp were already proven world class players but struggled in italy like a lot of player do.so when they came to england they fitted in better.
yes wenger helped get the best out of them but thats the managers job, nothing to shout out about.
wenger is a great manager but everyone has made mistakes, and yes wenger has recently. how can u say during last years league perfomances wenger made no mistakes?
just because someone points out his mistakes, it dosent mean there anti-arsenal.
the people who want him sacked should just be ignored.
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Well, az1980az everything takes time and it may be sooner than you think. It all depends on how quick helb and rosicky can learn from the professor.
We won't loose any more points AW now knows what adjustment that has to be made for us to win games. He will make sure that the lads are ready mentally and physically for our up coming games. We were definitely exploited in the left back position but that will be fix before we play middlesbrough at home.
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19 goals in 149 games - wow! That is poor return...
The issue for me is not whether Rosicky (not Hleb) might 'end up' banging in the goals in the PL but for him to immediately address our problem of not scoring enough (in the recent past) bar Henry.
It is a good analysis by roonaldo_united. The best part of the post is that we have to be patient and realistic; that includes the over-optimistic amongst us.
I'm not expecting to be the dominant team this season, never was. I do feel we can bring some silverware back to Arsenal this season however.
The main jibe in that post ws our goal scoring ability being called into question. All I can think of is that Henry was a winger when he camed to Arsenal and mostly he hit the Clock at Highbury when shooting on goal, but under Wengers training and tutelage he become one of the finest strikers in the world.
No-one would have believed a team that had lost Adams, Keown, & Dixon would ever have gone a whole season unbeaten, but Arsenal did just that. Now no-one believes they'll be challengers no-one believes they can score. Well lets just wait and see what the-goal scoring tally is at the end of the season.
I think the players we have, despite what the naysayers be the Arsenal fans/supporters or not, can really accomplish something this season. I have not seen this calamity that everone claims is happening. I've seen my team get very unlucky twice in row. I saw Cesc always trying to crack one in when he got the chance. I saw Toure trying to claim a goal for the side. I saw Henry get called offside a number of times when he was clearly not, and maybe could have given him that killer run and goal. I saw Theo playing the ball the right way to the right person at the right time.
Yeah I saw a bit of clumsiness as well during this, stray ball, bad touches, off target shots. I saw this at all the other clubs too. Its the first two games and thats all. Nothing to panic over and start calling for the head of the manager. Someone said on another thread we should get a new English manager, I''d really like to know which English manager he thinks is better than The Prof Arsene Wenger? Hmm How many English managers have won the Premiership recently.. or not even that recently for that matter.
I just wanna get a few more guys talking the team up for every person that wants to talk the team down. The prediction league has a genuine chel$ki team (different players each week) making predictions. If they can be doing that theres a slim possiblity that Arsenal players could be checking out these boards. If thsts the case I'd really rather try and give the team a boost (because it does count) than try and shoot my own team down.
Sorry I found another soapbox, I'll get down and smash it up now.
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Well said pijin. There has been a tremendous amount of rubbish posted on this board and elsewhere about our start to the season. I for one am really going to enjoy rubbing these peoples faces in it when the team starts rolling. I even read a couple of headlines about Arsenal scrape through against Dynamo Zagreb. We won 5 effing 1 for Christ's sake.
The matches against Villa and City were frustrating, but certainly no cause for panic, although I am pretty sure we will face alot more 10 man defences this season. Anyone with half a brain watching those mathes knows that it could just as easily have been 4 or 5 - 1 to the Arsenal.
Thank God we have a manager and a team that don't sh*t their pants everytime things get a bit frustrating unlike some of their "fans".
By the way did anyone see the way Inter came back against Roma the other night. Paddy was magnificent, reminded me of the 'boro match a couple of seasons ago.
pijin understands football better than roonaldo.when pires came to arsenal how many goals did he score for his previous club? how about ljungberg?anelka? Bergkamp?we all know why bergkamp left italy!!!!!how about henry? so to say rosicky and hleb will not score many goals at arsenal is an acceleration of an over reaction from you roonaldo.