Once again John. Just a matter of opinion. If I may, I would like to point you in another direction regarding Arsene Wenger, and Arsenal.. I have a wide range of Arsenal memorabilia. Tapes, films(8mm) Cd's, books, programmes,(some signed by the greats of Arsenal) and badges that have long since been forgotten, or gone out of fashion. The one that stands out for me is a film of the Arsenal team(Ted Drakes era) singing all together "Here we are again, happy as can be, all good fellows, in very good company". Its nothing you would be familiar with today; but my point is the spirit in which it is sung, and that Arsene Wenger introduces that particular old piece of film., To my mind, like many of us, he must have caught the flavour of those times and history, and what made Arsenal so great, and why he has stayed with the club for so long. Remembering that there were clubs willing to pay him double for his services. I often look back on Arsenals history and what they stand for, and I'm afraid without bias, in the context of today, and(no offense) the likes of Manchester United, no one can hold a candle to Arsenal, in my humble opinion. That, if nothing else, deserves a lot of respect. One only has to look at Arsene Wengers face today,compared with the one of just a few short years ago, to know that there are countless people out there who cannot, will not ever understand this. Recently he has been battered and bruised by some unacceptable, derisive, public comment, yet stiil manages to turn the other cheek, if you will, and retain his core beliefs, and remain focused on his job in hand. Others, and many of them, I am sure, would have thrown in the towel long ago.