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Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton´s achievement of finishing his first three races on the podium, but racing it isn´t.
At this time of the year the processionary caterpillars leave the fir trees in my area and follow each other to their settling destination...ring any bells with F1.
During the 1980s and 1990s I spent a fortune on magazines and books relating to motorsport and F1 in particular. The racing in the early turbo days was exciting, the racers were characters (Rosberg, Pironi, Piquet, Glles Villeneuve, Laffite, De Angelis...) racers all. Prost had a great racing brain. Senna´s first lap at the Donington GP was awesome. Sadly the racing seemed to have died when he did. Hill fought Schumacher, but that was it. j.Villeneuve and Hakkinen will not be remembered for long. Alonso only won because the car had an advantage and even last year he was almost beaten by a real racer in an awful car.
This year we have had three terribly boring races with the only overtaking taking place in the pits or on the first lap...yawn.
Thank God the Superbikes were on the other side. World superbikes had three races covered by a second at the end. British superbikes had four riders enter the last corner together. Now that is racing.
Yes it has been over the years but it could easily be fixed with a few simple changes. Her...
Yes it has been over the years but it could easily be fixed with a few simple changes. Here a some of my suggestions - fully manual gear box complete with foot clutch, no traction control of any kind, maybe have ground effect again and rotate the calender on a 2 year basis changing to a new venue or two each year. These changes would force the drivers to demonstrate more skills (how many races were lost in the past by selecting the wrong gear or missing a gear - senna in monaco), ground effect would let the cars race closer (yes they would be faster through the bends, yes it would be more dangerous - may the most skilled and the bravest win) and rotating the calender would be more interesting for everyone - drivers and views alike - would be nice to see them back in mexico, spa or racing along the seafront at Rio.... I am sure some people will think that some of my ideas are simply throwing F1 back to the 70's and 80's - well, some of the ideas of that period were great and the races were good, if F1 brough back some of these ideas coupled with the very strict restrictions and limitations that F1 now has with respect to developement, ie the teams would still all have to comply with a set of rules which is much more restrictive than in the past, I think the racing would be great!
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I totally agree that returning F1 to a no-fuel-stop, wider slick tyres and broader mechani...
I totally agree that returning F1 to a no-fuel-stop, wider slick tyres and broader mechanically grippy car spec would definately improve the racing. Difficulty is though, that some of these rule changes would necessitate collosal and hugely expensive changes to the fabric of how an F1 car is built. The teams will be unwilling to do this and there is also a safety conern. Don't forget '94, when the banning of driver aids to improve racing had a distrous short-term impact on the stability of the cars and arguably contributed to the deaths at Imola. A good staring point would be for the FIA to acknowledge that mechnaical grip must be favoured over aero-grip and gradually reduce the amount of top-side aero devices allowed. At the same time bring back 15.5 inch slick tyres and turbo engines. Turbo's use less fuel, are not expensive in the way they once were and the variations in boost level would provide exciting overtaking opportunites. Couple that with a return to wider cars, which would enhance mechanical grip and pave the way for eliminating fuel stops (by allowing bigger fuel cells) and you would have laid the groundwork for a truly exciting F1. Sadly the above would take at least five seasons to phase in and the teams would resist. But who knows maybe Bernie will stop counting his money long enough to see the light and then Mosley will tow the line! PS Circuit rotation is a fine idea!
New engine limits fixed by fia have definitely killed overtakings. Now engines power and t...
New engine limits fixed by fia have definitely killed overtakings. Now engines power and then top speed of the cars are very similar so it's very difficult for a driver following another one and attacking him.
So Nick Heidfeld have done a very good job :-)
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Oh really chaps. I can't let you get away with this. Some of these comments sound like a s...
Oh really chaps. I can't let you get away with this. Some of these comments sound like a stuck record from the Schumacher era when he drove away from the field and the races really WERE boring and no-one overtook except via pit stops.
Did you actually watch the Bahrain race and take in what was happening? It was fantastic. Rookie Hamilton pushing the Ferraris, Heidfeld passing Alonso, a great midfield scrap with the Toyotas, Williams, Red Bulls and Renaults, DC tearing through the field, lots of overtaking. The most open championship for years, 4 or 5 drivers in with a chance and no team favourites!
And I'm not a starry eyed newcomer to F1, I've watched every race since 1985. Certainly that was a great era with Mansell, Prost, Senna and Piquet but as ever there were fast cars and slow cars. Even those great drivers couldn't win in a slow car. I do agree that most of the electronic aids should be dropped and whilst it would be fascinating to put all drivers in identical cars like A1GP that wouldn't be F1...
I was too young to truly remember the turbo days but glady remember the Mansell v Senna, S...
I was too young to truly remember the turbo days but glady remember the Mansell v Senna, Senna v Prost days which had great wheel to wheel racing. Schu's done that with both the old style car and format and new style car and format but some of today's drivers in general are plain boring.
Couple that with all the Car tech issues, non slick tyres, refueling and massive differences between the teams and your're correct we're left with pretty dull racing. Having said that drivers can TRY to Make the difference where-ever and when-ever possible as Heidfield's move on Alonso showed but most of them are just mama's boys.
I totaly agree with you, But as much as it's like paint dry'n as my miss's says, Is there ...
I totaly agree with you, But as much as it's like paint dry'n as my miss's says, Is there anything that can be done? I mean is it all down to driver aids or is it the speed there traveling at that there afraid to overtake one another? How is it that F3 has a lot more overtaken and is more intresting to watch, Any ideas...Fans of F1
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F1 boring? abs but what to do,go the NASCAR way with staged finishes, phoney caution flags...
F1 boring? abs but what to do,go the NASCAR way with staged finishes, phoney caution flags? With few exceptions F1 has allways been a procession with one team streets ahead of everyone else[Lotus,Williams,Ferrari,McClaren Renualt etc]
the only way to get close racing is to have one engine/tyres/aerodymanic package for every car and that aint going to happen.One solution would be to weed out the no-hopers that contunially drift in and out of the sport,maybe change the fuel stops too,also Briatorie has a good point about having two races [its been done before]Think the TV coverage in the UK is lame as well,its all waffle from a couple of never-been racers,and far too many ad breaks,just imagine the reaction to putting ads on halfway thro' a football match.
simple, reduce aerodynamics to simplicity because the large amounts of winglets, fences an...
simple, reduce aerodynamics to simplicity because the large amounts of winglets, fences and other clever devices destroy the aility of one car to follow another
get rid of traction control and lauch control because road car development which takes technology from f1 has these nailed now, and let the drivers drive
do not though remove the ability to develop seamless shift gearboxes etc because these will filter down into road cars eventually
yes give the manufacturers room to develop new technologies but make them work on the mechanical side as this is moe applicable to road cars and the drivers will be able to drive again
I agree ,it could be sorted by removing refueling,return to the old slick tyres and the 1 ...
I agree ,it could be sorted by removing refueling,return to the old slick tyres and the 1 hour qualifying when you can go out when and how often as you wish,no downforce restrictions and no traction control systems.
also back to some european and americans races rather than all races in country's with poor human rights and animal cruilty ie china,korea,japan(see peta website.)
f1 is just interested in tv ratings and not the fans.
The 1980's and early 1990's were classic era's.
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Your all forgetting that its gone too far - we have lost the teams in favour of manufactur...
Your all forgetting that its gone too far - we have lost the teams in favour of manufacturer backed teams. They'll always argue that going back to basics (a horrible term) will not allow them to develop new technologies, and F1 will no longer be the pinnicle of motorsport.
It's all too expensive, too complicated and too political. It's going to have to break before someone has to fix it. The seasonal fixes to 'slow the cars down' and 'save the f***ing planet' are just cosmetic changes.
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