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Knowing Ferrari and the Italians for many more years than yourself, I personally will give...

Knowing Ferrari and the Italians for many more years than yourself, I personally will give up watching Formula 1 for good if McLaren are punished.
It would not surprise me if Ferrari staged the whole thing and sacrificed one man to end up winners.
We do not hear anything about the supplier of the information being charged in Italy for Industrial Espionage.
He has probably got another good job elsewhere with their conivance

I think your all missing the point. It was two guys - one from ferrari and one from mcclar...

I think your all missing the point. It was two guys - one from ferrari and one from mcclaren trying to sell THEIR services to HONDA that started this whole think off. People move from team to team and take info with them all the time, do you think Kimi has kept quiet about his time at mcclaren - HELL NO. Also the info is on LAST YEARS ferrari not this years. Also has everybody forgotten that ferrari run an illegal car in the first race this season but got no punishment cause they changed the car and says it came about as the way they interpreted the FIA's rules. Also like Bernie said at Monza if this was ferrari verses spyka or one of the smaller teams you wouldnt be hearing so much about it but cause its their main rivals it gets blown out of proportion.

More to the point, Bob, the McLaren MP4/21 rarely finished a race! Let alone win one! And ...

More to the point, Bob, the McLaren MP4/21 rarely finished a race! Let alone win one!
And here we are in 2007, arguably the unluckiest man in the paddock has left the Woking-based team, and has been replaced by Alonso. And, behold, a miracle: The MP4/22 went 6 or 7 races before encountering its first technical problem! After three races, my eyebrows had risen above my lounge's ceiling!

However, I'd be more inclined to turn the TV off if McLaren WERE banned. Cos it's unfair on the whole team, when clearly only one man acted independently.
It's a sad tradition now that once a championship becomes interesting, politics spoil it. This tradition dates back to 1982. It's a long and tragic story which I won't tell now. All the F1 racing fans out there probably know it anyway.

Hi there Bob You summed it all up, for me, and thank you for that. if you look closely,...

Hi there Bob

You summed it all up, for me, and thank you for that.

if you look closely, you are not the only one on here that feels this way. Some of my posts and others point it out, and i copy/pasted the statement from briatore, which for me, says it all. He said how much he wished he had the tech specs of Ferrari, adapted to Bridgestone for over the past decade! Renault would certainly not be performing so badly had they possessed those documents, even the tiniest details.

The FIA won't punish McLaren because it would really mean that F-1 is not a fair sport but a bunch of teams spying on eachother for technolgy improvements... It would be like admitting that its ridden with #$%$...
What hurts is that Ferrari is the victim of a huge fraud here but because of its past with Schumi, the Scuderia will always be seen as a bunch of cheats by thousands of fans, talk about reversed roles! So i doubt that the FIA would do something so un-popular as to remove McLaren out of the season...
And the FIA sees in Hamilton a sort of "rebirth"...they have been waiting for a new Senna for years, and now they have it. You think they'll strip him of his crown? i wish it but i doubt it.

I told my friends i would stop watching it altogether if they didnt dismiss McLaren out of the competition altogether. But i have faith in what happens on the tracks, and i take a lot of Joy in seeing those "nasty red cars" breathing down Ron Dennis' neck right now... And how did McLaren know about the new chassis of the Ferrari car when they compleined about it after Adelaide??? They knew more than the FIA stewards who cleared the car for the race (before, during and after the race by the way). You cannot know that kind of info from the photographs that teams usually take of their opponents' cars. There is simply and absolutely noway to know without having very detailed info on that chassis...so they call Ferrari cheats when the only way for them to do that was to cheat in the first place....

I will simply add this, i live in the UK, and over here, absolutely noone shares the same point of view as you or me, because they've been dreaming of this for so long, they FINALLY have a sportsman they can be proud of....regardless of the fact that McLaren should be out of the competition by all means...people still believe Ron Dennis is a honest and clean man devoid of any bad inclination...so clean he never opened those technical specifications ever!!!

I was never particularly a Ferrari "fan", before all this i couldnt really care less, i just always had a lot of admiration for jean Todt, who i see as a legendary personality of motor sports in general. But this whole saga is too much for me, and right now all im hoping is that Ferrari will give McLaren a nice trashing on the tracks... Actually i hope even Toyota, Honda, Red Bull, STR and even Spyker performs better!
Also, we rarely saw drivers as arrogant as the McLaren pair. I dont wish them any good either. But thats a whole different topic!

Didn't McLaren use Bridgestone tyres before switching to Michelin because Bridgestone was ...

Didn't McLaren use Bridgestone tyres before switching to Michelin because Bridgestone was putting more emphasis on supporting Ferrari -- e.g. have engineers working at the Ferrari factory? (Hmm, I wonder if those Bridgestone engineers gave away McLaren secrets?)

Does anyone know how Ferrari found out about this information transfer? The press said Nigel Stepney claimed he was followed by Ferrari people so he would be damn stupid to do it in front of these people.

If McLaren was accused of cheating because Mike Coughlan worked for McLaren at the time when the Ferrari information was discovered, and Nigel Stepney was working for Ferrari at that same time, shouldn't Ferrari be equally responsible for transferring the information to McLaren then?

Bruce and Enzo, hope you rest in peace.