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I remember starting a thread with this title not long ago, and was trashed for not giving Woy time. I then agreed to come back on that thread after 10 games.... That appears too far. Woy is taking us backwards guys... What more evidence do we want. We are going to be thumped by Sunderland over the weekend. Watch this space...
Last night was upsetting but like Roy and stevie have said, the kids and reserves earned the chance then messed it up, they will have to work very hard to get another go. These games are a learning curve for the manager and as dissapointing as it was, will help Roy decide who can make it and who can't as he tries to sculpt a squad. We all seem pretty much agreed that he picked the right team an they didn't peform.
I think we have more right to be angry should we not put in a decent show on Saturday as for me that (this season) is the only thing that matters, anything else is a bonus.
Lets be honest here fellas, neither Rafa nor Houlier were a success, at least if the measure of success is the title which I think most of us would agree with. Which one was marginally better is beside the point when neither delivered what we really wanted, so surely asking why, is the better question rather than having the same playground shouting match.
The consistency is a board that has either been unable or unwilling to fund the managers anywhere near the levels of those clubs that do compete for the title year after year. We can park that blame on the yanks, and they deserve our scorn, but they are just the last in a line in the corner offices that have not done our club any favors.
Roy was not my first choice, in fact Rafa was, I really felt he deserved a pass on one bad season out of 6, or at least the chance to be judged by new owners whenever it is they finally arrive. But with his exit inevitable I'd rather had Dalglish, not because he was my childhood hero, but because I really felt he was the best chance with both his experience, and clout to keep the ship afloat. That is keep our best players, and at least be competitive for the top 4 this season.
But my choices were not what came to pass; Roy is the one who got the nod. And, because he faces the exact same problems (maybe even worse) all our recent managers have faced, I really can't expect him to do much better. I do have serious reservations about him, but do not believe Dalglish, or anyone else would do any better, at least until new owners show up. Therefore so long as he can keep the ship afloat until then, I think he deserves a little loyalty. That attribute is supposed to be in the DNA of our club, Shanks put it there, and at least until he proves he can't do the job, I'm going to support old Woy.
Mellor who can't get in the Preston side, and is on load at Wednesday? Which others? OMG!
Add the predicted values of the players currently still at Anfield that Benitez bought, to the income from sales, to the revenue generated from progressing beyond the last 16 of the CL in Rafa's time, and subtract the money spent on transfers. Benitez is in profit!
Fergie can talk, he's bought plenty of duds, and spends money like it is going out of fashion in general terms and he hates Rafa, why would you believe a word Fergie speaks about Liverpool. He lives in fantasy land.
Talking about Rafa gets us nowhere, but I know you wanted him out, and I firmly believe you will want Hodgson out in oh, I reckon give it another 14 games, thats half a season, and I think he'll still have us in the lower half of the table quite possibly.
Robert B ...yes Ido consider many of those players u mentioned better than the people still on the payrole when Roy arrived...frankly Id like to see Mellor up front for us now or atleast still have him as an option.
You say the owners are :the wrecking ball:...why ? They gave Benitez tonsof dosh tospend ? Yes he made some good signings but the bulk of hjis signings were rubbish....even SAF said Liverpool had a ludicrous amount of playerson the payrole when Benitez was Boss. I contend that u can have a wrecking ball but u need someone in the cab to crank up the potor and swing that wrecking ball and that man was Benitez my friend ...no-one else. Of course Id like to see amore benevolent ownership of the club who wouldnt but lets not in anyway try to diminish the responsibility Benitez bears for the demise of our club.
It irks me the way people here constantly bang on about the past and most often, managers of the past. The truth is since Kenny Dalglish, all our managers have been as bad as one another because they have been unable to return us to a consistent title winning club. Unfortunately Hodgson is no better than any of the post Kenny lot so why bother comparing... they all helped bring us to where we are at right now. Rock bottom!
Jason...with u 100% mate. For me my constant opposition to Benitez for the last three seasons was precisely becauseof his reluctanceto abandon his :hold-position: strategy and employ more adventurous tactics that would have lead to more entertaining and exciting football for the fans ...I hateto say it but Im starting to see the same thing where Roy is concerned though do feel there is plenty of time for him to changetactics before the season becomes an unmitigated disaster..we owe him some patience.
Ian Holloway Blackpool's manager I quote....
:We have a mountain to climb but u cant climb a mountain by hanging on by your fingerttips u haveto let go at some point and go for the next hold !: By this he is meaning to justify his philosophy of going for all threee points in EVERY game even when playing top four sides AWAY he refuses to put ten men behind the ball and park the bus. I applaud his stance and hope Roy might go the same route.
Im not saying id rather us win the mickey mouse cup over finnishing 4th, but lets be honest, when you dont expect to win at Birmingham (despite there record) it shows the lack of ambition optimisim from the management.
The exit from the CC just rehashes what we already know too well, we dont have the depth.
I'll be more then happy to eat my words if Roy some how manages to *work* a miracle, but i know it wont happen.
we shot our selves in the foot when we got rid of Rafa and replaced with a manager that doesnt know the squad. Rafa had run out of excuses, it was his squad, and though he had a howler of a season last year, we cant forget we finnished a close 2nd behind united the year before, thats better then any other manager we have had in the past decade or so.
By large it was the same squad till Woy came along. Perhaps had Rafa stayed he wud have learnt from his mistakes last year? perhaps aquaman would have come good for us? he did seem to have good assist when he played.
Miguel, first off I'm not telling anyone they don't have a right to have a moan about last night. And there is plenty of blame to g around some of which needs to fall on Roy’s doorstep. However I am asking for people to keep it in perspective. Calling for a new managers head because he stumbles in a tin pot cup is a little more than a day after moan.
Second, do you really think we have a squad with quality in depth? If you do, then so be it, your welcome to your opinion, but don't be surprised when I don't share it, as I think you find yourself in the minority on that one.
Lastly just a comment, and I think your own analogy is fitting. I am not trying to paper over cracks. But when you have a crack you fill it, you don't call for a demolish team to come in.
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