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I know all the other threads are discussing this same topic. I would like to take a poll and see how many people share the view that Woy should either pack-up on his own, or he should be pushed out... Just post a Yes if you want him out, or No if you think he should stay longer.....
Ok ...............as a neutral I will ask you this..............................
If RH goes, who comes in?................seems to me its a bit of a poisoned chalice at the moment............without stability on the financial front , without any new players for another 3 months....who is gonna come in and make it all better, seriously?
If you find a demi God let me know ......................
wishing you all the best
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Ironistic, I am a die-hard American LFC Supporter, but have only been on board w/ the squad since 2002/03, so don't know if my opinion here carries as much weight as the life longers, but I've watched european soccer since I was a little kid (actually supported Ajax and Newcastle because they were on my tv 20 years ago). I still watch almost all the EPL matches every weekend, alot of La Liga, Serie A, SPL, and some Ligue 1 so I try to think from a neutral perspective on alot of topics.
I don't think aside from Kenny Dalglish there is anyone who would willingly jump at the chance, other than other coaches who want to just be associated with LFC but don't have nearly the credentials. 3 months ago, it was a fairly hot job target for alot of people, but the mess Roy and the team have created, make it so undesireable that the only person with enough guts, confidence or self arrogance that would take it with confidence would be Jose Mourinho and I have a better shot at getting the job than him coming in for the next 5 years or ever.
A name I preferred from the very beginning who I believe is actually still available is Manuel Pellegrini, I don't know now that he would want it because anyone who takes it, is inheriting an ungodly mess and setting themself up for failure.
In another thread, I was just being creative and imaginative and mentioned the name Ray Wilkins of Chelsea, I think he'd be great, but again it'd never happen. (sad that an asst. manager would turn down lfc, though they are the champions and may win Europe.
So after a long winded response, I think until at least January or unless we fall to 20th with a really serious chance of relegation, Roy has to be the one to fix the mess he is part of and helped to create, though to be fair, players HAVE to step up. It's a lose lose situation really... IMO If it were a video game, it might be a different story.
What is the point of him resigning?
Until we get a decent squad no manager is going to be able to provide us with either decent football or the sort of results we have come to expect.
And that ain't going to happen until the septic tanks - no offense Dave and any other US supporters we have on here - are SHOWN DOWN THE ROAD to coin a favourite phrase from last year.
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He's never going to resign during the season, even if we go into the 38th match on 1 win, so he'd have to get sacked.
For it to possibly make any sense or work out at all, it would have to happen now, today (here in the US) tomorrow for you lads, and we would have to, in theory have an excellent "coach in waiting" assistant coach which in Sammy Lee, we don't. So then by defacto, the only man who would jump at the chance probably would be Dalglish. And this would have to be IMMEDIATELY. The only way it becomes positive, is the "wow" factor. I think so many players would feel honored and in awe of Kenny in the locker room, they'd eat dog sh-t and run into a brick wall if he told them to, so maybe he could very quickly impose some sort of style on them. Will this happen, probably not, we're going to have to ride it out with Roy at least for the forseeable future.
Just food for thought, one of the managers I wanted ahead of Roy was Pellegrini, who was interested, took Real Madrid to a record number of league points and has as good and better record than Roy as well as an understanding of the Spanish and South American footballers in the squad or who would have been interested in joining. I think we would have fared better with him and missed out, though I can't prove that obviously.
Just to throw a wild name out there that would intrigue me, and this is the American Football way of thinking... Ray Wilkins from Chelsea.. Would he leave ... maybe? Could he do it..maybe? He certainly has been well groomed working next to Ancellotti and I believe some time with Mourinho? He understands winning, attacking and defense being with the Champions and he often does some of the coaching and speaking as if he is THE manager of Chelsea. This is just a speculative, creative thought, I know it wouldn't probably happen, just thinking of what this club needs. A young, energetic, enthusiastic manager who can balance discipline and man management. Rafa had one trait, Roy has another, neither had both.
guys alot of you are missing the point. Yes our players are not fully up to it. Yes we need more squad strengthening and depth.
But this team at the least is capable of 7th, Woy's tatics are quite possibly going to put us in a relegation battle. He is out of his depth.
Your form a battleplan to the personnel you have you don't try to make them fit a universal battleplan that has 'always worked for you'.
I'll say it again, time to go- as mysteron said perhaps when we get new owners but hnestly I'm of the opinion turn the club over to Kenny now and piss Sammy off down the road with Woy.
Get back Phil Thompson to assist and see if we can get in Hyppia and Hammann.
Jason, I have been saying it for a long time...I would love carra to manage us one day. In all honesty I would like him to at least be a part of the coaching team first and then assistant manager before he took the hotseat but he can't do any worse than Roy has done so far.
I also like Michaels idea. Kind of recreate the bootroom. Get Carra, Didi, Big Sami and Thommo all in there. Shame Gary Mac has joined Houllier at Villa as we could have thrown him in there as well.
I've not missed your point, or the point at all, in fact if you read any of my several posts today inlcluding scrolling up to my first about Hogdson being sacked and in another thread, I've suggested and provided backup to support the fact that he inherited a team still better than 12-14 teams and with the addition of Cole and Meireles, on paper the team is theoretically much better. However, if he's mis using them, not playing them in positions to succeed and not employing tactics to help them, then we are worse off and may as well still have Rafa.
For as much as I lost faith in Rafa last year and felt it was time to make the change, or give him a 1 year ultimatum, I have to say that these past 2 or 3 matches would have at the very least ended in draws, had clean sheets and perhaps been 1-0 or 2-1 wins, albeit boring and drab, they would still be points nonethless. So this suggests that Roy is moving backwards with an equal to, or better than squad. At one point last year, our team was so injury ravaged and short on regular players we seemed to play our best and most inspired football - win over spurs, win over everton down to 10, overturn benfica tie, and come minutes from the Europa Finals.
Everything we thought Roy would come in and do to fix and improve on these "sub par" results have actually gone backwards and worse. I'm not suggesting bring Rafa back, but instead Roy is out of his depth or coaching nervous and I think he was never the right selection other than being the steady the ship, father like figure to mentor and heal the mentality of our oh so fragile bunch of over paid underperforming losers at the moment. That's what they are right now really, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck... it's a fcuking duck! I thought a win today, albeit nothing great, would have been the best recipe to go into the int'l break and be a new start, now I fear Everton will destroy us and put us into 19th or 20th and become a legitimate relegation team based on negative goal diff
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