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hi guys well the title askes the question and looking from the outside i dont think i would trust him after his summer buys??
your inside thoughts???
if you dont trust him what would you do?
1) get rid go with interim untill summer?
2) get rid and re appoint a manager now? who is out there?
Putting it simply we've gotta get rid of Hodgson asap as well as all the crappy and average players we have..
Theirs no way we'll be serious contenders until we get a damn good manager in, who knows his stuff and goes all out to win..
Hodgson is way out of his depth at LFC and he's never gonna win us anything.. NESV claim to be winners if thats so then why don't they put their money where their mouths are and get in a damn good manager who'll bring in the players that'll make us get back to the top..
DANIEL B...never any need to apologise mate, its just spirited debate. I respect u point of view and know u only have the best interests of the club at heart.
I think one problem is that we DONT have the choice of :any manager in the world: but of what we do have a choice of I would say KK looks to me like the VERY BEST. Hes RED to the bone and knows our ways plus I believe he is a dedicated and disciplined man who would have no problem managing :super-star: egos as he would as Boss command instant respect and such as Stevie G and Carra would demand from the squad that that respect be shown at all times thus bringing together and inspiring the squad. ROY though good intentioned is at best a mid table man who's tactics evidence this...lets be honest most matches his tactics would put most to sleep.
Results under Roy are erratic I think it is only a matter of a little more time before hes gone even should we pick up a good few points over the Hols I think he will still soon be gone as the opposition we face in our upcoming five fixtures isnt the most accomplished in the Prem. so in effect it would probably be a false dawn. I think if we drop too many points over the Hols he will be gone in the New Year.
I was under the impression that KKD had said in the summer that he would do the job on a tempory basis untill the new ownership was sorted out.
I belevie this was not wanted and the then owners wanted a more permanent solution as i think it was not 100% clear who the new owners would be.
But as KKD had only wished to "help" the club out of what might have been a problem ie a new manager on a long contract to pay off it was decided a more permanant appointment would be needed and if that was KKD's position in the summer i cant to be honest see that changeing in yes KK will do the job "Short term" he does not it seems wish to be a long term manager to re-build the boot room
I think that is it Dave, he volunteered for the role as he always wants whats best for the club and after he was told that what was best for the club was him to continue in his current role and even take on more responsibility I am sure he caused no disturbance and stepped aside graciously.
"it is very presumptious of u to assume that I would be making the same request were Morinho Hiddink or Van Gaal were to be appointed....putting words in your mouth? Kettle calling pot... ?"
Touche colin, touche. Fair dos. I take that party back as yes it is a bit hypocritcal of me. Apologies for that one.
I did already say though, I would not be against the appointment of Kenny.
Fair enough colin, I do understand all that and have to respect that you stick to your what you want and never waiver. However I am not sure that Kenny is the right man IF and it's a big IF we had the choice of any manager in the world. He might very well be but it's not something I think we should debate about until we are without a manager but like I said, I would in no way be against him taking over.
dsteer...First let,me say Im relieved u arent frothing at the mouth over the rumour that Fat-Lad has been sacked and suggesting his reappointment at Anfield....I used the term :heretic: as something of a joke believing that the orthodox opinion was that KK could do no wrong and it was heresey to criticise the man....I never imagined it would be taken literally by such serious minded types as u self and Daniel B....Little bit of humour it seems can go a long way on this board ...lol
Its obvious Woy is well out of his depth at our club , why give him money to spend appoint KK now and give it to him to,spend. iVE LIKE mEREILLES ALL ALONG BUT COME ON LOOK HOW MUCH HES WASTED ON pOULSEN Konchelski Jones not to mentionthe Joe Cole thing and his guaranteed 90,000 a week salary. His tactics are almost a carbon copy most of the time of the super cautious cr@p Beneathus had us using. Its timpe for a new broom and KK WILL supply it he will clear out ALL the deadwood brought in by thesetwo incompetent clowns and start to rebuild our great club in hisown image ...one of real STYLE !!!
daniel b...would u be FOR KK taking over as Boss now ? I understand perhaps u are tired of hearing the same request from me for KK to be appointed now but feel it is very presumptious of u to assume that I would be making the same request were Morinho Hiddink or Van Gaal were to be appointed....putting words in your mouth? Kettle calling pot... ?
I realize we both have the interests of the club at heart and one of my primary reasons for calling for the appointment of KK is because he is already on the clubs books he asked to be considered for the job before Woy was appointed and I believe he is the right man for the job. I believe he would reinstate our true STYLE of PASS AND MOVE !!! No more of this Woy/Beneathus shyte moving the ball back and forth deep in our own half sideways backwards back and forth then hoof it up the middle in the hope that a lone Torres might latch on to it or Cara and Lucas engaging in a series of short back and forth passes before one or the other hoofs it down the wing and out of play....this is rubbish foisted on the fans by these two incompetent clowns the board have been stupid enough to appoint as managers of our great club.
I believe in activism and consider my incessant opposition to the IRWTB and Benitez himself in some small way played a part in getting rid of the clown...I will continue to call for the immediate appointment of KK and just hope more on this board and other Liverpool forums feel the same way and become activist for the appoitmant of KK....Somehow if it happened Im not the type of person to crow over it and say TOLD YOU !...Rather I would be content to know you were with tens of thousands of others roaring your throat hoarse in greeting of our new Boss when he strode out onto the Anfield turf and made his way towards THE KOP to salute his adoring fans.
It’s a good point Jason, and while all is speculation does seem quite plausible. As Kenny was my hero growing up, I personally would hate to see him fail, not because of any of his own faults, but because he just would not have the tools needed for success. As you say, with a negative transfer fund back in the summer, and our expectations always being so high, any coach would have had a difficult time the first half of the season.
I have a similar, and I think also plausible theory for what might have transpired over the summer. I see Kenny as someone who literally bleeds red and would do anything for our club. So while I don't necessarily dispute his desire to manage us again, I think he would always put the club in front of his own desires. As a player he could be a selfish striker but always put team first. On the pitch you can see that how he became the ultimate supplier rather than scorer himself later in his playing days. Off the pitch you can see that with the dedication he put in managing the club, to the point that I really think it took a personal toll following Hillsborough, and even to this day not only being an ambassador for the club, but the obvious passion he has not just the club, but his ongoing efforts to support, defend, and fight for the families of the 96, who he see's as his family, fellow reds.
To that point it’s not surprising that he'd volunteer his services to serve the club yet again, but I think he'd step aside if he felt he was not the best choice. It’s not about Kenny Dalglish, it’s not about ego's, its about something much, much bigger than that, its about Liverpool Football Club.
While I can't remember exactly the quotes his son gave the Tampa newspaper, but if memory serves it was about how Kenny felt that there was no one of the quality needed that was willing and available that could do the job which led him to put his name forward. Whether he felt he was better suited for the job than Roy, either now, or back in the summer only he knows. All we can do is speculate.
Dave, like Hobs said, I remember reading that story early on about the board telling KK that they had a bigger role in a wider spectrum for him at the club. I guess that defines his embassador-esque role...
I also think, that despite how much he really may have wanted it, this may pain people to hear it, but there was a chance with this crop of players and the expectations we set, he could have been set up for the same type of start Roy's had. I know it's not likely, or an exact science in saying that, but what if.... we were sitting on less points right now? How would people react to the thought of sacking Kenny or speaking negatively about him? He would have won the team over in the beginning if nothing else, with the "Kenny" factor, but at the end of the day, can he make Kuyt and Maxi run any faster, make Kyrgiakos defend any better, or injured players heal any faster? (FYI Kenny was my first choice, aside from Jose', who's completely unrealistic)
That would be an almost worse dilemma, and again I know it's unlikely, but the ball is round and the day is long, anything can happen and perhaps Broughton and co., felt it better to protect Kenny and remember him in his brightest days.. Plus if he's out there helping scout players and bring their attention to sign with LFC, isn't that doing almost as good a job?
Just some points, I am in no way bad mouthing KK. He's a legend and I never had the pleasure of seeing him play or coach, but reading and knowing is enough for me...
Colin, I know you posted this question for Daniel, but think I'll take a stab at it. But first I need to understand why if someone actually thought appointing Dalglish was not a good idea why that should be considered heresy? Surely that is just opinion.
Now to set the record straight, I think you know very well I was against Rafa leaving the club, so while his time may have been up, all things being even, I think we would be better off right now if Rafa had been retained as the gaffer.
However, once Rafa left KK was my first choice, as I felt he'd be the best man, both available, and most likely willing to take the job. At the very least relative to Roy, I would have preferred Kenny.
But, I'm not so sure I was right anymore! It seems clear to me, either Kenny did not want the job, or at least did not want it back in the summer when the club was in limbo due to the ownership mess. Therefore I'm not sure why it’s clear he'd be the man for the job now.
Call me a heretic if you like (I've been called worse) but I'm just not sure that it’s a good idea to try and turn back the clock. KK has been a great, maybe the greatest servant to the club, both as a player, and a manager, and also in the role he plays now which is a larger than life ambassador. But unless he really wants the job, so much it’s burning inside him, so much he'd have fought the board for it, I’m just not sure he is the right man for job.
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