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How is it that Unitedes own Wayne Rooney can have his ban turned over with the full support of the FA in regards to his blatant kick at another player during that euro 2012 qualifyer and another Manchester United player this times Patrice Evra words taken over Luis Suarezs and given enough credence to get Suarez banned for eight games if this isnt a complete farce I really dont know what is, I really hope uruguays government get involed here and put this straight with the FA because this is blatant favoritism
I had a feeling this may get political.. The F.A chose to make it that by banning him for 8 games..
You're quite right how can Rooney get away with it.. and Evra trying and succedding in getting our best player banned..
Evra allegedly has cried wolf before.. I'd love to know what concrete evidence they have against Suarez other than him saying he called him a "negrito" which according to Google isn't even a racist term.. ok it mentions colour as the term.. but Evra is black is he not? So he's only stating the obvious..
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Get your facts right. Discipline issues aren`t judged by the FA but by an independent panel. Both United AND Liverpool approved the makeup of the 3 man panel, one of whom is a QC. Any appeal will be hard by an independent panel. All the FA does is uphold the final decision. As several newspaper articles have pointed out the accusation that Evra has played the race card before is inaccurate. And finally its not what google thinks `negrito` means but what black people think it means and it is way to close to another word beginning with `n` for them not to think that it is about more than the colour of their skin.
But now your making things up we obviously don't know. We believe Suarez used the word Negrita because the press tells us he did. Of course he's not admitted he did to the press, just not denied it, so we all make the leap that he must have said it. But even the press has not given us any clues on the context of how the word was used, so why do you presume to know?
You’re absolutely right I could go around all day saying the word "black" and offend no-one. But then just utter it with a different context and risk getting my teeth knocked out. Context does matter.
However, the press and others keep saying he said Negrita, and that Negrita is the equivalent to the "N" word (I won't spell it out but I'm pretty sure you know what word I'm referring to). So please show me some contexts where you can say that "N" word and you are confident no one will be offended.
So simple question going back to your own example, Is Negrita the equivalent of the "N" word (that I won't spell out) or equivalent of the word black?
It seems to me if it’s the first you'll have a hard time writing it or saying it under almost any context without offending someone, yet as I said in my earlier post people are writing it here all day long, as well as the newspapers printing it. But if the later, equivalent to black, it all depends on what you say next to it. I don't know what he might have said next to it, and I'm pretty sure you don't either, so I have to assume if you think Negrita is equivalent to black, and you think Suarez must have said some words next to it to ensure the context was offensive, you must be guessing what those contextual words are, or as I said, making it up.
Oh dear, where have you been the last few decades?
You think it's just fine and dandy to walk up to a black person on the street and say "Hey, negro"?
"Oi, whaddya hit me for? I was just stating facts."
In addition you had to identify them without pointing at that person.. whats the problem then by determing whose who? Should the said people need to be identified? It's how we determine whose who by pigeon holing people..
Of course it all comes down to the manner how it's said to the other person.. if it was meant ina nasty, hateful way then yes thats racist..
Did Suarez intend it to be in a hateful manner.. thats the key here.. Suaurez seems to suggest not..
David: The context is just about all we do know; A heated football match between England's two biggest football clubs who just happen to be the country's fiercest rivals.
Evra and Suarez are not friends. Any "affectionate" use of the word is thus ruled out. There is no reason at all for either player (nor any other player in football at any level) to bring up the colour of a rival player's skin, no matter how inoffensive the particular wording is in any other context. In fact, it is contrary to FA rules.
The word 'black' is the preferred term to describe people of African descent such as Patrice Evra. If I were stood next to a black man who I did not know in a post office queue and I kept saying the word 'black' to him, would that be considered fine because of the common use definition or would it be extremely odd behaviour that could cause offence and/or illicit an angry response? Personally I think you'd have to either be a complete idiot or have a motive for doing such a thing.
Alex ferguson manipulates and influences all he touches. The overkill on the suarez 8 game suspension is just the latest in an endless list of rubbish decisions manipulated by ferguson. While his own rooney gets a free pass , any opposition player must be crucified for offenses far less harmful than rooney's. And mouthpiece yapping buffoons like buttkissing paul parker preach their biased diatribe from on high. But ferguson the dinosaur will die off soon enough. Pleasant thought that. Keep manipulating , baconface , how's the heart , have another scotch.
You manUres wonder why you are the most hated side in England. Use your tiny brains , it may come to you.
Ok then lets say their were an asian, a white european and a black perrson all female stood in a group and you had to identify that person..
Surely it's not racist to refer to that person as a black woman? Because they actually are black.. but it's not racist to do so.. or is it? because if it is then it's politicial correctness gone mad..
Would appear "negrita , negrito" is another way of saying "negro" but in spanish.. is that racist?
It's like calling someone caucascian isn't it? Is that racist ? To me it's just definining races.. but no insult intended.. just stating facts..
" why do you presume to know?"
I don't. But what I do presume is that the FA panel, including a QC, knows what happened far better than you or me. And they found against Suarez. You can carry on making up more and more bizarre theories as to why Suarez must be innocent and why Evra must have been lying but in the world outside the Liverpool faithful your argument is pretty much lost.
Some of the more thoughtful Liverpool fans recognise this.
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