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I don't think they have as yet. Yes the club is more stable than the last lot, and the commercial department is actually starting to look the business, but it is an irrefutable truth that they have only spent a net £34 mil, and if we are not gonna end up in the doldrums of 30 odd points behind the champions every season then they need to seriously up the ante to the tune of 50 mil plus sales (at least) so we can get the quality of player required to break back in to the top four and then compete for the title.
Sabermetrics does not work for football, every team buys the title.
Lets not forget the stadium issue either.
It's my opinion that come August, we are going to know whether FSG are serious about success at LFC, or its just more bullsh*t.
I suspect the thrust of this message is upside-down. Instead of FSG being the servants of the club, the club are the servants of FSG. It is more that LFC needs to prove itself to FSG.
There are owners who are willing to throw in huge sums for players just for the fun of it. Obviously making a profit is not the main motivation. City have owners like this. There's another club too - I forget who temporarily.
And then there are owners who buy a club as in investment. Typically the American owners of the big clubs are like this. Their purpose is not to win trophies for the glory, it's to extract income from the various operations, or to make a big capital gain. These investors won't just carry on throwing money in for the hell of it. They will only carry on putting money in if they believe that extra money is a good investment.
There is certainly an argument that big investments upfront are needed to lift a club into higher income brackets. Chelsea have been making it for years (and no-one much has been listening). But when hard-earned money is being asked for from investors who have finance rather than footie in the blood stream, these dragons need to be persuaded that extra financing won't turn out to be throwing good money after bad.
It's early days to know how FSG will see it. But I would expect them to be asking some very hard questions before, in your words, "proving themselves".
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The owners dont need to prove anything, they have been brilliant and this is a learning curve for them. They came in, unsaddled our debt and then within 18 months have trimmed away £500k a week of our wage bill whilst reducing the average age of our squad by monstrous amounts and in keeping with the homegrown rules and prepared us for FFP. Other then the players we bought in the summer, we also went for Phil Jones and Ashley Young, just that we know of as well as not planning to sell Meireles till he showed his late hand.
The only reason we didnt buy in January was because they had learned their lesson with over priced January signings, showing they are quickly learning the football 'game'. Comolli was sacked as they have developed a new plan, the new stadium plan is being developed and we have a kit deal worth around £300m! What do some people want?! We were 1 day away from administration and now people want to be competing in the shop window with Madrid and City! Even though results have been average this year, we are moving forward as a club, if patience is really so low, there is other clubs you can support!
too true! only the Ceteh Sheiks and Abramovitch are in it for fun these days. we need to start proving we have an eye for players and can spend wisely (at least 60% of the time) before they start throwing more bread on the water
I too would like to see them spending big..
I just hope we've not swapped one american owner who spent little for another..
Spending £100m isn't such a huge sum when it comes to buying good players.. We could buy 2 class players at £50m each and thats the money spent.
Clubs like Man Utd / City, Chelsea think spending £50m on a player then buying a £30m player is no big deal.
Yet when it comes to us we're sweating if we spend large sums.
We spent £35m on Carroll and that was seen as such a big fuss.. Had it been at another club I'd previously mentioned. They'd be very little made of it..
It's ironic.. had I made this thread I'd have been pounced on..
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My concern and it's one I share with Armchair, (incredible that we agree on something) is that we have spent quite large sums of money for years and more than one or two of those signings have simply bombed.
Time to get some much needed value!
Marquee signings do not make a side. There must be balance.
Newcastle have done remarkably well. Huge credit to their scouts, Pardew etc. Totally unexpected.
For me Tottenham and Harry have built a house of straw. Take Modric out of the side and they struggle. Their back 4 consists of too many players that are crocked, getting to the end of their careers or both. The front line consists of players on loan. It cant last without some more investment. Big investment but chances are they will have European money and fixtures to attract new players with. They've hit the top 4 target but their journey on hitting that target regularly has only just begun and still needs considerable investment.
I honestly think LFC's rebirth will be chapters in a book.
Dogleish will be there for another season or 2, galvanising what he has with slow increments forward and lets face it 6 home wins is not what you are about.
Its just as well you won the league cup as i think European football will at least attract that 2nd tier of players you need, this is where you are at at the moment.
You will maybe sneak back into the top 4 at some point which again will attract a few top tier players, then they will sell up, make a profit, move on and someone else will take the reigns, who will bring in their own manager, which again is whats needed, Dogleish isnt top tier anymore, its gone past him.
A new stadium............hahahaha, envelopes to LCC again??
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