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dsteer...at the risk of setting myself up here thankyou for your assumption that Im not an...

dsteer...at the risk of setting myself up here thankyou for your assumption that Im not an :unintelligent: man but Im not too sure if the :unintelligent: is actually a recognized word in our English language...wouldnt we use the phrase :lacking in intelligence: ?
OK that point aside where were we ?...Ah yes the FFP ...no in actual fact its just my sarky nature that kept using the idea that we should all qualify as both accountants and actuaries to involve our selves in such debate on this forum but am fully aware that goes over certain heads like a rocket...zoom !
OK assuming u arent thick I will one last time attempt to address my theory that spending NOW from any actuaries standpoint will stand us in good stead where these new regulations are concerned even in the nr future...are u sitting comfortably ? Then I will begin....IF u dont make ECLC by next season u are in deeper trouble than u are right now financially irrespective of the assumed fact that u dont spend another penny on buying in players additional to what u possess now ...However if u make a TOP 4 spot and then get through the preliminaries of the playoffs then u are back in ECLC again with the attendant potential of huge boost in income for the club therefore accordingly u can continue...if at that point still necessary...to continue to spend within the limits proscribed by the new regulations.....QED that by the way is an abbreviation for QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM its Latin means so it is shown to be proved.So lets say from an actuary's standpoint spending say an extra 25/30 mill to add strength and depth to the squad makes perfectly good sense...maybe from u common or garden accountant's perspective not quite such good sense...but I know who Im with on this one...the actuary, Id give BR the extra dosh now and free him up from the responsibility of selling on Carrol tell him its ok Brendan hes our PLAN B now go out and bring in those two players youve been telling us we need and lets make a start in getting ourselves back into next seasons ECLC where as u say we belong !Dont u agree ?

Thank you for not assuming I'm thick, although some may disagree with you on that poin...

Thank you for not assuming I'm thick, although some may disagree with you on that point, but hopefully that is neither here nor there.

But maybe I'm not quite as smart as I thought, or maybe resemble a couple short planks, because there is something’s about your post I just don’t' understand. Now in fact I'm neither an accountant nor an actuary, so maybe others can help explain this to me.

You say we are worse off if we don’t make top 4 and realize the benefits for the extra TV reveneue from CL. Understanding of course our current situation is to invest what we earn and not go into debt, but that is a worse situation that what you are proposing.

That proposal being, spend now which inevitably means going into debt to better our chances of actually making the top 4 this season so we'll have CL football next year along with the extra TV revenue.

Now, putting aside the fact spending lots of money is not a guarantee of finishing in the top 4 (actually I'd rather not put it aside as it’s a major issue I pointed out, but as you completely ignored it, I suppose I can only lead you to water, but cannot make you drink), I'm still a bit puzzled on how we're better off.

Assuming this extra 30M spent, meaning the new 30M of debt we'd be carrying actually gets us top 4 (big if as I said, and despite your own post being littered with "if's" as you ignore their consequences I suppose we can brush it under the carpet) what we have to spend the extra revenue gained from CL football to pay back our debt to ensure we're not foul of FFP?

But that extra revenue, also assumes we get beyond the group stage, as that is where the real money kicks in, but won't we have to re-invest in the squad again to ensure we have a CL quality squad, and enough depth of quality to ensure we can fight on both fronts and keep our top 4 status.

So are you saying let’s get out the old credit card now, so we have a chance of making the top 4. If we're successful dust off the plastic again to make sure we get through the group stage and maintain our top 4 position. I suppose we then pay off the debt? Or do we have to keep on borrowing if we want to move further forward?

Now as I said I'm still a bit puzzled. We are worse off staying in the black and looking to make incremental progress. But better off if we deficit spend so we "might" get into the top 4, and keep on deficit spending in order to maintain CL football, and borrow even more if we want to push for the title.

I do hope those "might’s" and "if's" don't turn sour, and those pesky rules about debt don't take effect anytime soon. Otherwise, seems like a great plan!

Hi Jason I think you may have misunderstood my post. I wasn't having a pop at your i...

Hi Jason

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I wasn't having a pop at your information or sources, I just didn't understand how fsg getting on a plane proved their intent.

This is a theme I promised Dave that I'll return to after the transfer window is over, but FSG are on record saying they want to get Liverpool back to the top of English football. I'm yet to be convinced that their transfer activity this window matches that statement of intent.

Signing Cavani might be an backing those words with action, signing a player on a year long loan isn't in my opinion.

Got to agree with you there Ron. Too light up front for my liking, made even more uncomfor...

Got to agree with you there Ron. Too light up front for my liking, made even more uncomfortable by the fact that Carroll doesn't seem to fit (yet o perhaps ever) and Borini hasn''t hit the ground running either.

Also a very valid point about what's the point in complying with FFP if you don't qualify for Europe?

Unfortunately I think our problems run a little deeper with that due to a succesion of managers with completely different ideas and lets be honest, a host of bad buys / deals.

It's been an odd transfer window for me though. The slow start, the odd deal, City have been very quiet, Chelsea going mad, and many seemingly looking to shed / drop their wage bill.

Jason mate, my view is quite simple. If you have a little snippet of info or have a view p...

Jason mate, my view is quite simple. If you have a little snippet of info or have a view put it on here. That's what these forums and boards are all about. You're pretty good at it for starters and I wouldn't worry about us and our little snipes on this side of the pond. Half of them are in jest the other probably from people who have less info than you or simply don't agree with that idea of a player etc. All fine and valid views.

Back to topic I get the feeling we've gone cold on Dempsey. We asked what the price would be and his availability I'd guess and then things got out of hand Stateside with a badly timed article etc. Since then Jol has played his little games and it wouldn't surprise me if we left it as it is. Price too high or we need to sell first perhaps. I bet the FA complaint from Fulham certainly isn't helping the sale but of course Fulham would rather keep him.

Given the choice I think I'd take a punt on Isco. I've seen very little but I've liked what I've seen and I'm surprised no one else has had a punt this Summer. Very positive player both with the ball at feet and has a good eye for a penetrating pass too. I must do some more digging but I haven't heard anymore on our interest there. If I hear or see more I'll put it on here.