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Colin, the fact is, the game we play now is all dependant on mobility of players and I'm afraid Carroll will not have that mobility as long as he's got a hole in his @rse. He doesn't have the pace either. To be fair, I wanted him to be given more of a chance but he hasn't so as far as I am concerned he is no longer a liverpool player. He should also have played the full 90 in the cup final, but hey-ho. It's not to be!
If we flog him for the reported £18 mil then we can have another class forward for the same bunce in Damaio who would fit our game to a tee! Anyone who saw the Olympics could see that and I think he will be a star-striker someday soon whoever he plays for. Spurs won't be back in for him either it's said.
The thing is with Andy and the whole "plan B" and "even if he is that", doesn't work for us in any way, shape, or form, financially.
His wages are somewhere around 60-70K weekly, and if you do the math, that over the course of the season is enough to have bought us, a player you and I both fancy, Tom Ince, with some to spare.. In that scenario, which gets your vote?
Also, for the whole "Plan B", when fit, Carroll has only 3 headed goals in 2 seasons, out of his 7.. Not only is 7 goals in matches started for LFC and WHU bad enough, but a player who's been bought, and the build for powering them home, makes 3 with his head, pretty damn bad. Skrtel has more with his head this year, and in 2 years combined..
Also, now that we have Sturridge, a regular starter, and despite you not liking him, Borini as third choice, plus Coutinho who is a "10" or play behind the striker type, in addition to Andy not fitting and Brendan not fancying him, he'd be nearly 5th choice, which again isn't good enough, nor financially sound..
I think we will be in for another one in the summer, and like Loki pointed out, someone I really rate in that next tier below the Cavani's of the world, Leandro Damaio.. We had been linked in the summer, but we needed to sell alot first, and Internacional didn't want to sell until January, and then rebuffed Spurs in January, so he will be available this summer.
He's already a star and starter for Brazil, 23 years old, and far more skilled than many strikers out there, let alone Andy, and probably not on wages like him, or others in Europe, so he'd fit the profile of a 20Mish buy, and 50-60K wages.. Neither impossible for us, but not with Andy in the picture.. In addition to his skill and pace, he's a big lad with aerial presence..
Ask yourself of the above scenarios.. would you prefer to hang on to someone who's never going to start, cost us money we can't spend, sit and maybe get 10-15 mins here and there, or sell him on, wish him well, and have the opportunity to buy someone better ..
I can't guarantee you or anyone Damaio will set the league on fire, but I can guarantee he'll get more than 7 goals in 2 seasons wherever he ends up, and if it's one of our rivals, while we're stuck with Andy instead, I think we know the logical answer there..
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jason...I am clearly as in favour of retaining Andy as u are biased towards getting rid of him and pretty well accepting whatever is offered to do so it seems.
Truth is Im not the fan of BR that u are and honestly feel that their are many managers out there could do a far better job of managing us than BR appears to me to be doing right now...his buzz word is "mobility" but to be honest I just dont see this "mobility" unless of course its sideways or backwards out there on the pitch for the majority of the time we have possession. When I say many managers who could do a better job than BR Im not in "furniture-land" with Mohrino or SAF or Pep Guardiola..
I think Ian Holloway Nigel Adkins Simon Grayson to name just three two of whom are currently unemployed and would fit the bill.
You see I thought Kenny always stayed with the idea of Pass and Move but was trying to instill a type of Dutch style Total Football Strategy and thats what his signings were all about.
As for Tom Ince...if youd wanted him if the club rather had wanted him all they had to do was make their peace with Blackpool FC put the relevant amount of coin on the table and they had him....over Dempsey they blew it for 3 mill over Tom Ince the same ? SO AN ADMINISTRATIVE FAILING...AGAIN.
Tom is the real deal proven in the hurly burly rough and tumble of the NPOWER CHAMPIONSHIPbelieve me he can take serious punishment; I have pals who are Pool fans and they see him all home games and some away and they KNOW..he scored again today and is that divisions top scorer I think with 18 goals. BUT for our purposes Id rather have that planB with Andy C back on board we have enough wide players but yes of course I D RATHER HAVE THEM BOTH ! I know nothing at all of Coutinho never seen him play so...but rather than spend money on him would have rather seen some top keeper come in now and a MONSTER to play in the middle of the back line. BR seems to defo be building a (literally) lightweight side.
Im not calling for BR to be canned...I feel he should have at least till one year from now and be judged on his achievements then BUT if those achievements are mediocre and no silverware in the cupboard then I think FSG SHOULD BE RUTHLESS. Of course the owners must back his judgement in the transfer market and even baring in mind FFP dont think the extra 3 millwould have been such a huge extravagance to have had Tom Ince on board...do you ?
In regard to this idea of mobility...I think that Wenger and Arsenal showed BR the way FORWARD (literally) the other night...instead of allthis sideways backwards sideways we play when in possession...every time they had the ball it was moved forward with conviction with men running off theball in support..I thought Walcott and Wilshire were superb ! Too often our possession looks like a kids game of pass theparcel and who ever is caught with it when the music stops is OUT..THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE TOO NERVOUS WITHTHIS TYPE OF GAME. They look like they are in too big a hurry to get rid of the ball to the nearest man in red rather than a heads up and look for the telling pass that can create something.
I take u word for the skills of Coutinho like I ay I have never seen him play...I hope u right about him because from what u say he sounds an exciting player ! Of course u are right about my opinion of Borini....should use him as a makeweight for a deal come end of season failing that use him as a ...paperweight.
Loki...what Im saying is better we pay Andy's salary and have a valid PLAN B...OLDHAM , MANSFIELD , STOKE, ARSENAL (at home) VILLA.SWANSEA.. Think about it...IF just from the Prem League games I mentioned we'd managed to garner two home wins and an away draw with Plan B that would have totalled another7pts and we would be where inthe League 4th ? Think in the Cup games wed still be in both competitions and would surely with Plan B seen off Mansfield at a canter...so the potential increase in revenue that all would have brought in would surely warrant paying Andy's salary? Plus u have a Plan B much like we always had with peter Crouch until Benitez foolishly punted the lad on. Lets be honest if BR's game is all about mobility then I fail to see where that mobility is other than for themost part side to side and backward...Wenger and his Arsenal lads showed us what "mobility" was allabout the other night did u notice how almost every ball was moved down the wings at a rapid pace and the ball was always going ...FORWARD ! I think until BR's theories on "mobility" start to show up as proven weare far better off to always have a PLAN B.
Also I feel unless we are practically prepared to give Andy away we arent going to see much come back for him irrespective of how the rest of hisseason with WHU pans out so hopefully the owners wil put the coin on the table to further deepen and strengthen the current squad...after all BR is forever refering to ...how thin his squad is.?